Entire latter (actually capable manufacturing producing war machines that could do something against German machines from not only point-blank range) was given to USSR by allies in one form or another, be it 40,000 lathes for the factories or 13,000 modern tanks straight up. Won't even mention planes, all top Soviet dog fighters flew on either western planes or on planes with western engines.

All USSR did was throw millions into Nazi grinder recklessly until grinder couldn't grind no more.

Newsflash, over 50% of equipment you mention never even made it to the front lines due to defects/logistics failure/being taken apart for repairs etc unlike most of western machinery.


But on you go, about your imaginary 100,000+ tanks, Ukrainians killing their own pows with HIMARS to make its soldiers not surrender , land-lease being a minor boost if anything, castrations of POWS being "a regular, necessary, not that bad thing"



spin those pedals all you like, imbecile.

too much to unpack, and for no gain either to you, me, or ur Ukrainians. we are done here id rather not waste more time. You talk about things like there is a debate going on and there are cheerleeders, as if what we say will change any outcome of anything. You are dogmatic to the core, a pure hypocritical moralist , the picture keep posting is the perfect reflection of yourself.

This post was edited by ownyaah on Jul 29 2022 11:52am

Not interested in replying to someone making up stuff and presenting it as facts neither, who has never done any research on the subjects they try to argue about, easily influenced by propaganda for the weak minded.
No ability to analyze information properly and flip-flopping around every few minutes, 100k tanks, 70k tanks, no 50k tanks and 60k guns/artillery/w.e else i just found on Wikipedia but more the better, yet USSR never had more than 22,000 combat ready tanks,
55,000 chunks of metal that would take years to assemble and manufacture diesel sills/DPCS/ammo for are not tanks, its just dust collecting garbage that by the time war breaks out will become obsolete.

This post was edited by Lvivz on Jul 29 2022 12:17pm

There's no reason to believe this. It can be quite time consuming to plan and prepare an escape.

What's the logic for Russia / separatists to bomb their own prison?
It makes sense for it to be a long range attack by Ukraine, given they've been bombing that area for decade now, and the target could be intentional or mistaken
For the Russians, why bomb a facility that they already control? They don't need to manufacture casus belli like gulf of tomkin. The war is ongoing. The Ukrainian propaganda is claiming it was to "hide evidence of mistreatment of prisoners". They could have simply shot all the prisoners, and no further steps are necessary, no elaborate schemes. If the goal was to hide evidence, why would they leave so many survivors and only kill a fraction of the prisoners?
Russia has the counterpropaganda claim that Ukraine was targeting its own POWs to cover up them confessing to war crimes. Which is of course similarly nonsensical.


I'm always deeply skeptical of the completely baseless in-spite-of-evidence conspiracy theory explanations, and its usually a result of incompetence or recklessness. And believing propaganda at face value, especially when it makes no sense, is just ridiculous at this point

Theoretically anything is possible, but extremely unlikely given that prisoner exchanges are happening so chances of getting out through exchange are way higher than making it through the Russian side.






So autopsy doesn't reveal the true cause of death such as torture/killing pows while they where in detention, burned up remains even if returned won't tell much. Section 13 of GC violations cover up to make concrete evidence collection near impossible.


russian swine never had honor, their army consisting of 70%+ gopnyk filth

Mind joining Terrytory Defense instead of watching anti-Soviet crap on Youtube. Soviet doesn't mean Russian. Soviet is Russian, Ukrainian, Belarus, Georgian, Kazakhstani and so on. A quick reminder: the "watch guy" is Berest Oleksiy Prokopovich, ethnic Ukrainian from Kharkiv oblast. It wasn't you to shit your pants, these were damned Muscovites, a special operation to shit inside your pants and get out unseen.

This post was edited by Norlander on Jul 29 2022 06:04pm

And what stopped them from silently killing and burning the remains of POWs and hushing up the prison without blasting a giant hole in its roof, killing only a fraction of the POWs and making a public spectacle out of it?
Need I point out that this is premised on two sets of self-contradictory hypotheses? That Russia wants to hide evidence, but that they intentionally made it into a giant public affair that can't be hidden. And that Russia has such disregard for the laws of war and human decency that they're engaging in systematic war crimes and torture of POWs, but that they were unwilling to simply execute the POWs systematically and directly.

You have to admire just how much effort and planning the Russians put into this false flag effort, they even scattered pieces of the US-manufactured HIMARS missile that are being recovered at the site
I hear that they even put a Ukrainian flag on the surface of the post-attack moonscape, but a clever man can tell its fake because the flag is not waving in the terrestrial atmospheric winds

why are u making reasonable logical conclusions when logic doesnt apply to this 1 war out of all wars that happened in the last 20 years, mostly american wars??? This war is different, its not done for freedom or democracyyyyy its not done by the pure race of europeans/americans its done by dirty slavic people, but also ukranians are the real slavs and russians are horde genetic from gypsy tribes combined with mongolia. This is different, this war is about evil vs good.

Obviously the russians, being a lower tier race carried out an orc operation to kill the azovs because putin was angry that he is turning 70, hes having a late-year crisis. This is well known fact, please stop being apologist. Also the missiles russians have are inaccurate so they planted the missile first and then blew it using ukranian lighter, this was an inside job because russians could never hit a building accurately, they tried this OPS back in january of 1990, and instead hit 13 kinder gardens with 1 missile that split on impact 30 km away from this exact hospital, this is why the soviet union collapsed in 1991 the following year because they didn't have enough resources to rebuild those kinder gardens.

This war established 2 things really, one is that the vast majority of europeans/americans are completely racist in every regard, and that they believe they should have a monopoly on politics/war

This post was edited by ownyaah on Jul 29 2022 07:59pm