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Jun 9 2023 03:41pm
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the pyramid is an example of things being more complex in the past. there is no construction project that even comes close the pyramids.



evolution "macro" is a imaginary story buried in millions of years. its not obsevable testable or repeatable, its not science.


I believe in theistic evolution, which is the most rational and self-consistent theory supported by scientific observation
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Jun 9 2023 03:43pm
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I believe in theistic evolution, which is the most rational and self-consistent theory supported by scientific observation


Can you explain this further?
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Jun 9 2023 03:45pm
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Can you explain this further?


Essentially, theistic evolution is the idea that evolution is real, but it has been directed by God's divine "hand"

In a nutshell, evolution is the statistical consequence of the laws of physics & their propagation forward in time, but God created the laws of physics themselves, ergo evolution is directed by God (or the "creator" if you will)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution#:~:text=Theistic%20evolution%20(also%20known%20as,of%20modern%20science%2C%20including%20evolution.

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Essentially, theistic evolution is the idea that evolution is real, but it has been directed by God's divine "hand"

In a nutshell, evolution is the statistical consequence of the laws of physics & their propagation forward in time, but God created the laws of physics themselves, ergo evolution is directed by God (or the "creator" if you will)


But what are the "scientific observations" that "rationally" support that idea?
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Jun 9 2023 03:48pm
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Our brains have evolved such that it has allowed for forms/expressions of intelligence that is not found in the same capacity in our evolutionary timeline though. Capacity for language, empathy, meta-cognition, etc. are all part of that history of development.



I accept that we share evolutionary ancestry, yes.


your among the most complex and interdependent systems know to man. light years more complex than anything man has ever made. but just the result of some kind of naturalistic accidental process and your ancestor was maybe some kind of monkey creature?

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The numbers are something like

Civilization - 10k
Basic groups - 50k
Basically monkey with more tools - 100k-500k
Literally monkey - 500k - 2m


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I'd say we should go back, but I don't think there were anime waifus some 50K years ago.


lol :) is a waifu 'evolutionary progress?
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But what are the "scientific observations" that "rationally" support that idea?


all of physics, and that the discovery of physical law was the consequence of holy men studying God's creation

Also that the scientific observation/deduction of the origin of the universe (Big Bang theory) is self-consistent with the book of Genesis "God created the universe in an instant"
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But what are the "scientific observations" that "rationally" support that idea?


to add: the scientific observation of the living cell & other biological molecular machinery is direct proof of a form of intelligent design. Given that the age of the universe is fairly precisely known, and if you were to attempt the daunting task of running the numbers to see how long it would take for a mixture of C, O, N, S, P etc. atoms to spontaneously form genetic machinery or a living cell, the timescale is orders of magnitude longer than the age of the universe
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Jun 9 2023 03:52pm
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your among the most complex and interdependent systems know to man. light years more complex than anything man has ever made. but just the result of some kind of naturalistic accidental process and your ancestor was maybe some kind of monkey creature?


I wouldn't describe evolution as accidental, so much as it is adaptive.

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all of physics, and that the discovery of physical law was the consequence of holy men studying God's creation

Also that the scientific observation/deduction of the origin of the universe (Big Bang theory) is self-consistent with the book of Genesis "God created the universe in an instant"


As an Atheist, even I gave the most charitable take on the idea of theistic evolution, wouldn't such observations (at their absolute most) lend themselves to the possibility of simply "a creator". The leap from that to a specific God seems insurmountable from a scientific perspective.
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Jun 9 2023 03:54pm
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I believe in theistic evolution, which is the most rational and self-consistent theory supported by scientific observation


they are bullchiting you. life is a complete mystery. thats the real trip of the whole thing.



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I wouldn't describe evolution as accidental, so much as it is adaptive.



As an Atheist, even I gave the most charitable take on the idea of theistic evolution, wouldn't such observations (at their absolute most) lend themselves to the possibility of simply "a creator". The leap from that to a specific God seems insurmountable from a scientific perspective.


Yes, absolutely, the evidence all points to there being some form of a creator. God is just a name for the great creator or "Father" if you will, in monotheistic thought. Atleast in my view, God is not a specific God, God refers to the great creator. I believe this is the same for all monotheists including Judaism, Islam etc.

Even in Atheist France they recognized this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_the_Supreme_Being
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