While it may appear as "doing nothing" I would be shocked to find that truthful. The cops on the parameter are just guards keeping the peace. If you think traffic cops are trained for extreme event hostage extraction, you are mistaken.

1. Establish a parameter
2. Prevent 3rd parties from entering the fog of war
3. Survey the situation and gather intelligence
4. Prepare for casualty extraction
5. Come up with a plan
6. Execute
7. AAR

Its interesting how well the narrative has moved away from sensible gun control to "The cops are cowards". As a previous member of a QRF myself, I empathize with the logistical challenges of being anywhere at anytime


This is EXACTLY why the cops are setting up a parameter. Keeping fucking Johnny Rambo from charging in and killing more people, or getting killed themselves. Do you honestly not think two parental groups approaching each other, know THEY are "the good guys" in a highly chaotic environment?

This post was edited by Cascadian on May 31 2022 08:56am

Of coarse, that's why they are color coded.

thank god they established a perimeter before acting, heaven forbid a few parents take bullets in place of their children.

the only reason that the plane was downed in a field instead of the whitehouse is because brave people threw their bodies at madmen to save lives. cops should be nothing more than a flesh shield that rapidly and without overdone planning throws themselves at an active shooter before he is able to kill even one more child. immediately once that shooter knows the cops are in the building and coming for him he'll save ammo, he'll stop shooting kids and either turn the gun on himself or hole up.

worse yet are reports that police evacuated their children then refused to re-enter the building. cowards.

idc if he's got an ar15 and 10 clips ready to go and all ive got is a box cutter. i'm heading in.

the state investigator confirmed the police acted against state policing directives, and wasted precious time and manpower to keep parents at bay, who wouldnt have even bothered to approach if cops ran in and kept running in until the shooter was dead as a doornail. they took fire and retreated, called for backup, back up entered and took fire then retreated. 1 man vs 10-15 cops and they ran.

next people will say they were up against superior weaponry and their handguns weren't sufficient, when for 15 years we've been told a semi automatic rifle is no different than what most hunters carry to the deer stand.

fuck the chaotic enviroment, if we had 19 dead cops, or 19 dead parents, in place of 19 dead students/teachers we'd all applaud those who sacrificed themselves. instead we have parents grieving that will spend the rest of their lives wishing they could be dead in place of their child.

This post was edited by thesnipa on May 31 2022 09:07am

I don't even trust other people to take my order accurately at a fast food place, let alone engage in a tactical hostage extraction under fire, while they have an extremely personal investment into the situation. If you think allowing multiple groups of armed parents to forcibly insert themselves into an active shooter situation isn't a bad idea then I'm not really sure we can discuss the topic.

If you want higher body bag piles, arm the teachers, arm the janitors, fuck it - have an armory outside the school grounds so parents can gear up as they storm the halls. ACH, Plates, vest. - Lets go. Any parent that can pass the Army APFT can get a full combat loadout! No background check needed.

This post was edited by Cascadian on May 31 2022 09:14am

what i want is for cops, the trained and armed professionals to enter the building en masse and engage and take down the shooter as soon as they enter the scene. that's what i want. and that's what texas government and police officials want, texas is an active shooter engaging state that teaches that very doctrine. they tell every single police officer that leaves the academy that they will be expected to be a human shield for children should this very situation happen. the cops on the scene received info from 9-11 calls that the shooter was in classrooms with live children and they ignored it to set up a perimeter because minutes earlier they took fire trying to engage the shooter so they retreated. they continued to ignore that information while shots could be heard outside of the building.

but if they're going to be cowards than i want them to stand the fuck aside.

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This post rates as the dumbest post in the thread. Let's rewire your order of operations to align with the facts, shall we?

1. Arrive and hear gunshots. Disobey active shooter protocol on behest of the "School Police Chief" which is itself a made up title by an appointed "official" who was appointed by the school district, not elected like a Sheriff, or come up through the ranks like a veteran officer.
2. At the behest of the "School Police Chief™" set up a parimeter, while listening to 5-10 year olds being executed inside.
3. Prevent parents from attempting to rescue their children, for fear that the shooter will escalate the situation and kill chil... Oh wait...
4. Survey the situation and taze any parent attempting to rescue their child while you deliberate for the next hour.
5. Prepare for casualty extraction, hopefully guessing somewhat correctly on how many people are shot while the shooting is still occurring.
6. Protest when two officers from the Border Patrol Tactical team show up, ignore your stand down orders, and kill the shooter.
7. ???
8. Blame guns and parents.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Jun 1 2022 02:00am

It's not the police's job to prevent adults (which is what those parents are) from getting themselves killed.

To those who feel the COPS should wait.

Given the following, the cops had adequate training, adequate tooling (on level with the shooter), greater numbers, and active-shooter scenario.

How long should COPs wait before charging in? What is a reasonable amount of time to wait and assess before reacting? What is a reasonable amount of time to wait for backup before taking action and fulfilling duty?

This post was edited by RedFromWinter on Jun 1 2022 09:27am