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Jul 13 2020 12:39pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 13 2020 11:13am)
It's a quagmire. when we look at reparations for native Americans you have to trace your ancestry in many cases to qualify. asking blacks to do the same thing is "racist", and in many cases that's legit. when you buy/sell people and split families its not exactly easy to trace your lineage on ancestry.com. so it will never happen. democrats know they dont even have enough cash to fix up the hood so they keep tossing them sheckles and pulling down statues to appease them, imagine footing the bill for actual reparations.


Right. We had an opportunity post-civil war to right the wrong but we fucked up. Now, it's a double whammy between slavery and Jim Crow but IMO, they should be treated separately. To me, we need to write the wrongs of past and current discrimination. The fact that North Carolina is STILL trying to disenfranchise black voters is pretty outrageous and needs to be addressed. I'm sympathetic to bogie's argument regarding wealth because at what point do we draw the line? Personally, I'd draw the line at 2 generations (grandchild of a slave). I'd be open to 3 generations as well. Those people should receive substantial compensation IMO.
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Jul 13 2020 12:40pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 13 2020 01:34pm)
Okay, but that's a position that most people don't accept. Like I said, it's an argument fundamentally against inheritance. If you don't accept inheritance, then it follows that reparations shouldn't happen, but it also follows that the wealth generated across generations shouldn't happen.



On principal, I don't see a problem with "cancel culture". Everything is not acceptable, and some things are bad enough to deserve societal retribution.

I do agree that there are specific cases where it has gone too far. That CEO who got fired for being part of a hate group at 17 that he made a conscious effort to leave and distance himself from because he recognized it was terrible being fired was really bad.

I don't really care about language much. Language changes, and it's incumbent on everybody to be able to figure it out. However, it's also incumbent on listeners to interpret things in a way that the speaker intended to and understand the core message. I think both of these are often lost.


id like to see some american polling on inheritance. i frankly do not believe it's unpopular anywhere near 50% let alone over it.

the problem with cancel culture is one of technological amplification of the vocal minority as well as compliance by that political wing's main core. whether its conservatives who allow racists in their ranks a voice or liberals who stand idly by while trans advocates try to hurl damaging labels at people. in hte internet era u can be cancelled so fast that everyone is scared into silence except zealots who feel so righteous that they threaten violence and play up victim-hood to the highest degree. essentially it is cowardice of the many to allow silliness of the few. i of course am just as much of a coward, im just not happy about it. im not going to speak out when i could have social backlash from people just playing along, i dont even engage half heartedly in political debates irl any more. i have no desire to speak with someone reading a script.
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Jul 13 2020 02:42pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 13 2020 08:35pm)
isn't there logical inconsistency here tho when Trump (a staunch isolationist who has criticized america's world policing) would likely have no done anything either?


Could very well be but is entirely not the point. The point of me reacting was Skinned making this statement: "I've seen the mass graves in person. Those were the results of right wing politics aka fascism and racial separateness"

While in reality all three groups were fighting each other and all three were committing war crimes. The worst was the Srebrenicia massacre though which I pointed out with link included, and is entirely the result of not protecting the safe havens where all these people were literally packed together like sitting ducks surrounded by their opponents.

Blaming these war crimes on "right wing politics aka fascism" is just plain stupid, especially when you realize that Bill Clinton was president at that time. But this comes from Skinned, one of PARDs far left zealots so here we are.




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Jul 13 2020 03:11pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 13 2020 02:23pm)
Dad is a millionaire, dad dies when kid is 3.

Kid does nothing to deserve the wealth of his father.

I think if you said that to most people they would disagree on both a moral and legal ground.


On a legal ground, absolutely. On a moral grounds, it depends. If the child grows up to be an entitled brat, onlookers will decry his undeserved privilege. Take Warren Buffer, most people regard his decision to gift away his wealth (as opposed to leaving it to his children) as a moral and principled one. At the end of the day, a lot of this is biased by how we feel about the individuals involved. A 3-year old is impoverished? We feel bad. A spoiled twenty-year old is denied inheritance? He/she didn't deserve it anyway. That's not how we should be looking at something as fundamentally important as property rights.
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Jul 13 2020 04:41pm
Quote (Djunior @ Jul 13 2020 02:33pm)
You're the special one here really. In your view Clinton handled this very well while in reality he was too busy playing with female white house staff and the people in Srebrenicia got butchered.

But hey look! Trump is drinking water with two hands!

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Yeah...falling flat...not a gotcha....sorry.
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Jul 13 2020 06:35pm
Quote (Skinned @ Jul 13 2020 11:56am)
But my definition of federal tax payer is someone who doesn't receive a return for the most part, a minority of Americans.


wait a minute, so if i get a tax return, im not a tax payer...? you do realize how taxes and tax returns work, dont you..?


throughout the year you pay x amount monthly to the government as an estimate of how much you will owe. at the end of the year you calculate exactly how much you owe, and if the amount you paid is more than the amount you actually owe, you get a return of the difference.

youve still paid what you owe, though, most people are not getting a full return of what they paid.

most people are federal tax payers.
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Jul 13 2020 07:26pm
Quote (ReturnFormer @ Jul 13 2020 08:35pm)
wait a minute, so if i get a tax return, im not a tax payer...? you do realize how taxes and tax returns work, dont you..?


throughout the year you pay x amount monthly to the government as an estimate of how much you will owe. at the end of the year you calculate exactly how much you owe, and if the amount you paid is more than the amount you actually owe, you get a return of the difference.

youve still paid what you owe, though, most people are not getting a full return of what they paid.

most people are federal tax payers.


44% of Americans pay no individual federal income taxes as if 2018 and the number was projected to increase by 2% in 2025.


https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/tcja-increasing-share-households-paying-no-federal-income-tax#:~:text=About%20three-quarters%20of%20American,income%20taxes%20owe%20payroll%20taxes.

You get a lot of money just for having kids.

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Jul 13 2020 08:03pm
Quote (Skinned @ Jul 13 2020 06:26pm)
44% of Americans pay no individual federal income taxes as if 2018 and the number was projected to increase by 2% in 2025.


https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/tcja-increasing-share-households-paying-no-federal-income-tax#:~:text=About%20three-quarters%20of%20American,income%20taxes%20owe%20payroll%20taxes.

You get a lot of money just for having kids.


Which is highly inappropriate if you ask me.
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Jul 13 2020 08:08pm
Quote (Skinned @ Jul 13 2020 09:26pm)
44% of Americans pay no individual federal income taxes as if 2018 and the number was projected to increase by 2% in 2025.


https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/tcja-increasing-share-households-paying-no-federal-income-tax#:~:text=About%20three-quarters%20of%20American,income%20taxes%20owe%20payroll%20taxes.

You get a lot of money just for having kids.


so, 56% do. thats hardly "a minority of americans"...

but thats just individual federal taxes. from your own source: " About three-quarters of American households pay federal income taxes, payroll taxes, or both."

so, as i said, most people are federal tax payers.
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Jul 13 2020 08:20pm
Quote (Skinned @ Jul 13 2020 09:26pm)
44% of Americans pay no individual federal income taxes as if 2018 and the number was projected to increase by 2% in 2025.


https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/taxvox/tcja-increasing-share-households-paying-no-federal-income-tax#:~:text=About%20three-quarters%20of%20American,income%20taxes%20owe%20payroll%20taxes.

You get a lot of money just for having kids.


Federal and state Taxes aren't deducted from paychecks down there?
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