its a very big stretch. what happens before and after and arrest are a big difference. there is no scotus case saying you have to show ID on a traffic stop when asked.



in reality in 99% of cases when u ask why you were pulled over the cop answers before you show id or before he asks you to show id. cops answering that question is so tropey that it's commonplace in Tv/movies. not only from the citizen, but the cop. "do you know why i pulled you over today" is standard first words from a cop when they walk up to your window.

this helps deescalate situations.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 18 2019 09:01am

Seattle is a shit hole. Should be an amazing place, but the Dem’s fucking turned it into trash.

#NotSurprised

Wanna smoke meth in the streets and shit on the sidewalks? Go ahead!!

Do some shit posting online, get your rights infringed upon!

FTFY

Aye, fair enough. I just happen to live very near to Seattle, see it personally.

There isn't a supreme court case, but there are laws in all 50 states which require you to show an ID at a traffic stop when asked. If a police officer can walk up and arrest you without giving you the reason, which would have a much higher burden, there's no reason to expect that they would be held to a higher standard during a routine traffic stop.

Yes, in 99% of cases it's not an issue. That's probably how it should be.

The following video is a good channel run by a lawyer in Michigan. His reading of the court case agrees with my understanding that it similarly would extend to a typical traffic stop (the part where he agrees is at 10 minutes so you can skip directly to that, before that is him explaining the case).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QiKxWRzLC3A

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Oct 18 2019 09:06am

Chicago for me. Shootings occur so often that the local news stations bunch the stories together in a "less than 5 minute" segment and move onto other news.

Murder rarely makes headlines.

Last weekend - 5 killed - 42 wounded

Weekend before - 4 killed - 16 wounded

Around 2200 shooting victims YTD.

Chicago got some of, if not thee, toughest gun laws in the country.

i think we're fairly in agreement.

state by state there is some difference, and it's never been handled at a federal level. also we must separate legalities from what is best for the person. they might be legally rolling the dice, might win, might lose. and in reality almost never happens. there's also another wrinkle, that cops are allowed to detain people on a routine traffic stop under reasonable suspicion. once detained not only is ID required but also they're allowed to search a vehicle without a warrant. reasonable suspicion even includes smells which are impossible to verify in hindsight.

Havent been there, why should it be an amazing place? Whatd i miss

Dems built the fucking joint.. GTFO