Lol, no fucking way. Europe has 5 times the economy, their combined troop strength far exceeds that of Russia+Turkey, and France and the UK have nukes of their own.
Also note that Turkey has very little modern arms industry of its own, they rely heavily on NATO for that. Places like Germany, France or Italy, on the other hand, have plenty of modern tank and gun factories on their own soil.

And always keep in mind that Russia is an overstretched imperium. If they redeploy too many troops from their far east to the west for the hypothetical invasion of Western Europe, China would say "kthxbye, Siberia and its resources belong to us now, gg no re".

And to think of such an alliance in the first place requires one to ignore literally centuries of rivalry and bad blood between Russia and Turkey. Furthermore, Erdogan is a narcissistic megalomaniac who definitely couldnt stomach the role of Putin's butt boi for too long.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 10 2019 07:19am

stop creating those simplistic false dichotomies. not abruptly abandoning the only reliable ally in the region without trying to find a workable political solution regarding the kurdish question does NOT mean a turkish-russian army would soon steamroll europe. what you describe as 'thinking strategically' here is creating hilariously uninformed scenarios in order to justify your emperors latest whim concerning foreign policy. you're not 'analysing', you're speculating based on video game logic - those are two entirely different things.



what a time to be alive, i wholeheartedly agree with everything you just said...

This post was edited by fender on Oct 10 2019 07:18am

funny given how benevolent Americans were after the damages caused in WWII (started by fender aka heinrich's ancestor's best friend adolf) - setting up trade channels and food supply lines to help rebuild the devastated continent (that wasn't controlled by the marxist derivative known as communism)

the reich would have never offered such terms to anyone, especially not America. we'd probably all be on one-way train trips for the rest of our lives.

You’re crazy if you think any army in Europe can stand up to Russia. Even if you take some of the stronger ones and put them together they’d get routed. Economies size and strength mean very little In war time. You take away outsider support and a country like NK with trash Econ would curb stomp a country like SK that has an amazing Econ.

They would get over the bad blood real quick if they had common hegemonic interests. They are already starting to be friends with Russia selling them s-400s and other advanced weapons tech. They are already checking to not to step on each other’s toes in Syria.

As far as China, let’s say Russia does go to war and becomes really thinly spread. The problem with China pushing into Siberia is that would be reason enough for Russia to start using nukes at which point its all over for all sides.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Oct 10 2019 07:36am

Europe has nukes too

oh, but russia and turkey pushing into central europe would not be reason to start using nukes? just apart from the idiotic assumptions on which this scenario is based to begin with.

i love how trying to justify your ridiculous fantasy just ends up exposing even more holes in its 'logic'...

They do but if a war broke out between Europe & Russia i think both sides would really try to not use nukes. I think Russia would deploy nukes if China tried taking over Siberia.

And as far as nukes, yes they both do but Russia's nuke game is on par with the US, while the Euros have fallen behind. For every one nuke Europe can muster Russia can send 10. Just as an example i think it was 2012? ish Russia announced state of the art nuclear powered submarines that are extremely difficult to detect. Each one of these subs can hold 12 nukes and there's 12 of these subs. That alone is enough to hold China at bay for many years to come.

Btw, now that I think about it, I believe the most likely course of action in this scenario (a Russian/Turkish alliance tries to invade western europe, the europeans fail to defend themselves, the US for whatever reason does not support them) would be that China rescues Europe, in exchange for Europe being owned by the Chinese afterwards.

I doubt it. Look at the pseudo alliances that are forming. Essentially all of the countries that are our enemy are in a way banding, at least in UN votes it seems that way.

China & Russia are friends because common enemy, Russia & Iran are somewhat friends because common enemy, and now we are pushing on Turkey so they are moving towards that alliance. I mean obviously it's really hard to predict things but hypothetical alliances as of now could be China+Russia+Iran+Turkey+NK plus whatever other nations we decide to go after versus the NATO alliance, Japan, SK etc. You don't want to push too hard on countries like Turkey so they end up joining the other side.

China would be fine with ceding Europe to Russia+ Turkey, while China takes ownership of south Asia, Oceania, Australia. I know this is pie in the sky but fun to think about some of these scenarios.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Oct 10 2019 08:08am

Eu & Ru have and must to cooperate, and both know it. US is not here to bring peace in between-both btw...
Russia have much less belligerent history than many are thinking. Turkey however ...