@ bold: you're projecting.

@ underline: you're lying. Russia has been involved since before Euromaidan, Huylo.

UN?
Yeah, it's ok to kill one million people to get rid of a dictator. Bush and Blaire did so in Irak. Did they try to solve the issue through UN? Nope
Were the reasons for the invasion fabricated? Yes
Did they give a damn about civilian casualties? Nope, most of the dead were civilians.

Now, Russia isn't even a pseudo democratic state like the US, they're ruled by a real dictator who doesn't give a damn about losses. Do you really think Russia would ever go to UN to resolve the issue?

The joke in the middle is the UN itself. If you have super powers who just ignore that organization like the US, Russia, China etc. there's no credibility left for the organization itself.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Jul 19 2022 11:17am

Russia's meddling with Ukraine probably started as early as 2004, when the pro-EU presidential candidate Viktor Yushchenko was poisoned with dioxin. In hindsight, it's fairly clear that this tug-of-war over Ukraine has been going on for almost 2 decades and that most of us in the West were far too confident in the civility and stability of the situation in Ukraine between 2014 and 2022.

the US did make a UN resolution pre-invasion of Iraq:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1441

that doesnt mean i support the iraq or afghanistan wars.

do i expect Russia to act diplomatically? no, they're a hobo with a knife. that doesnt mean that i morally support their action, as im sure u dont.

we'll only avoid eventual destruction with nuclear weapons if we work out how to make the un itself work. otherwise we're all doomed.

And where are you getting that number? CNN?

In order to have killed 28k civilians Russia would have needed to drop a tactical nuke on some city somewhere. Do you think they did this? No, in reality they are only targeting civilian infrastructure when they have intelligence that it is being used for Ukrainian army purposes.

Of course civilians have died, but this has mostly occurred in areas where Ukrainian army troops dug in to urban areas, took over apartment buildings and schools and hospital, etc, like what happened in Mariupol. Normally an army wouldn't do this but they don't care about how many of their own civilians die.

Back in march video footage was posted to twitter of Azov battalion members deliberately killing entire families of civilians on the road outside Mariupol. They were slaughtering all the civilians who were just trying to flee the combat zone! This is what ukraine does to its own population and you think Russia is worse?

If 28K really died, I guarantee you 80% of that is from Ukraine army & volunteer battalions targeting their own civilians, as it has been PROVEN beyond a shadow of a doubt they have done in MAriupol and dozens of other towns/villages.

But of course none of you care about any of this. Have fun continuing to read CNN, Washington Post, or whatever propaganda the enemy - our true enemy, the elite - come up with. It's sad for me though to watch so many smart people be continuously, constantly and repeatedly fooled by people who should be smart enough to know are LYING to them. But they keep guzzling up all the lies as if they are facts anyway, without a second thought. Truly brainless....

This post was edited by chopstickz777 on Jul 19 2022 12:05pm

LOL you must literally be gagging on RU boot

I'm pretty confident that he's a paid troll. Russia has been using a whole army of these dudes for years to sway public opinion in discussion boards and forums. As a native speaker, you can often times tell from the way they phrase certain things.

I actually hope he is.. If he's a brainwashed American trailer guy.. ooof KGB should call him for enrollment.

As usual, you post more nonsense drivel from your favorite Pentagon-funded thinktanks.

I cannot believe you are this stupid.

There is nothing, absolutely NOTHING that justifies what the US has done in 2014 when they supported the coup that took place on Maidan square. The deaths of tens of thousands of Ukrainians is on the hands of Barack Obama, Victoria Nuland, Hillary Clinton, and every single other piece of HUMAN FILTH that was involved in the 2014 regime change operation!

Quite frankly.. they all deserve to be tried and ultimately executed.

I'm pretty confident that you are lacking a brain. When are you finally going to grow one? Why is the truth so hard for you to handle?

The truth being of course that you have abandoned your logic and taken up positions consistent with thinktank fairytales that aren't grounded in reality and are 100% propaganda.

It's pathetic to watch you talk like you have a clue what you're talking about. You don't. Maybe you should go work for a think tank, they need gullible useful idiots like you!