russian savages attack universities
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-allegedly-hits-2-universities-ukraine-least-10-missiles-1725311

Congrats, you managed to put 5 contradictions or falsehoods in just 3 sentences.

• Actual compromise and giving up are mutually exclusive. As long as Putin thinks he can win additional territory by continuing the war efforts, he will not accept any kind of 'compromise' or negotiated peace which doesn't amount to Ukraine's total surrender. "Compromising" now means that the resulting "peace" would not be an actual compromise, it would mean that Putin gets everything he wants and Ukraine none.
  
  
• Newsflash: Russia has already been shelling civilian centers of all cities which are in range of its artillery for months.
  
• There was no shelling of cities during the annexation of Crimea in 2014. That one was a smooth operation which saw Russia capture the peninsula without any kind of noteworthy resistance.
  
  
  
• There is still no reason to assume that Russia cannot be stopped. Over the last 2 months, they have made painfully slow territorial gains at great cost in terms of troops and material; gains which were aided by the fact that the recently captured areas were located in a salient and surrounded by Russian territory on three sides to begin with.
  
  And they had to flatten the cities they conquered, so that they gained territory and nothing else, no infrastructure, no factories, nothing but rubble. And most of that happened before the recent influx of Western long-range artillery into Ukraine. Note that I am not predicting that they will be stopped, or cannot make further gains - I'm just pushing back against the notion that stopping them is impossible and that any further fighting is therefore pointless.
  
  
  
• The two most important seaports held by Ukraine at the start of this war, Odessa and Mykolaiv, were a target of Putin and he isn't poised to get them at all... on the contrary, it looks increasingly likely that Russia will not take them.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 16 2022 10:45pm

Putin can take as much territory as he wants, there is nothing holding him back. The slow but steady pace is just designed to reduce casualties while grinding down the enemy. This has proven to be very effective, as the Ukrainians are losing anything from 300 - 500 men KIA per day.

You sound like a good ol' Anglosaxon imperialist, with absolutely zero sense of self-awareness. Zelensky is sacrificing thousands of young men for the new world order in a war that was already lost. If he cared about his people, he would compromise. There are hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians that do not like Zelensky and are more than happy to join Russia, as has been evidenced on dozens of occasions.

I took a break from this place but I see nothing has changed. You are still spouting pseudo-nonsense in this thread while pretending like you have a clue. It's sad that you still haven't learned anything. Putin will end up taking another 30% of Ukraine's territory by the end of the year and you will still be talking about how Zelensky can't give up or else "Russia wins"... LMAO... So delusional

"Putin is almighty, the only thing holding him back is that he's such a benevolent philantropist who's concerned with minimizing casualties."

*calls others delusional*




By the way, how do you explain Russian missiles and grenades hitting residential and civilian buildings all across Ukraine every day if the goal was to "reduce casualties"?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jul 16 2022 11:39pm

I guess they are full of students, especially in late July

In the last 3 months Putin took 1% of Ukraine territory. There are less than 6 months until year end, so that gives him another 2%, not 30%.
If Ukraine gives up to Putin demands and disarms now, what stops Putin from further attacking and easily taking over disarmed country?
That would be a great gift for Putin, who doesnt keep his words.
Once the Ukraine is disarmed, he will simply say: "ok, we had a deal, but they are still nazi, they still do nazi things, we need to denazify them".
The only thing that currently stops Putin are Ukrainian Army Forces, not negotiations. Of course there will be time for negotiations, but Putin needs to cancel his demands.

This post was edited by Ironfister on Jul 17 2022 02:38am

Is there any russian barbarism that you don't support? You seem to be onboard with blowing up schools, malls and hospitals in this thread.

Still a terrorist attack.
Putin and his people want to hurt Ukraine as much as possible.
If they hit university buildings then University cannot work properly.
The worst things they do in Kharkiv, which is a huge city close to frontline/Russian border. They can bomb the city with ordinary artillery and they do it. This is not for military, but just to keep the city paralyzed and terrorized so it doesnt return to normal life.
This is a real warcrime.

Watched a YouTube video from an expert lately, and would like to share some info with you guys.
2 himars launchers launching 6 or 12 gmlrs rockets are equal firepower to Russian 12 smercz launchers launching 144 rockets.
This is because gmlrs are precision weapons, that land where you tell it, while smercz lands somewhere in area of 3 football pitches.
So you need to use 144 smercz rockets to make sure some of them land in the right spot.
Also there were about 90 Russian warehouses on the total on frontline, from Kharkiv to Cherson. Ukrainians in the last 10 days destroyed half of them.
Its a huge hit for Russians, but not a something they cant recover from. Russians will learn how to deal with it, they will probably move their warehouses 90km from the frontline, as Ukrainian rockets have 80km range.
But it means trouble when you have to bring supplies 100km away, especially given that Russian army, unlike NATO, doesnt have a good logistics.
A tank burns 800-1000 litres of oil per 100kilometres. Logistics and supplies are very important on the battlefront, according to the expert, and this is why Ukrainians hit warehouses, command and communication centers, which are considered more important targets than tanks or artillery launchers.
This is NATO school of combat: destroy enemy capabilities, as an artillery without ammo or tank without fuel wont do anything.

I just don't support plain stupidity. That's it. Sorry, if someone had blown up your school.