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Jun 26 2019 12:28pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 26 2019 12:27pm)
I've read about 1000x more posts advocating violence towards police on /r/news and /r/politics
Shits going down


i bet you could skyrocket to 100k karma on a new account just by copyposting "maybe some of this gun violence should make it's way back to GOP senators that wont vote for gun control because that NRA owns them" on every /r/news /r/politics gun related article.
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Jun 26 2019 12:57pm
Reddit *vomit*
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Jun 26 2019 01:05pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ 26 Jun 2019 18:30)
Reddit quarantined the_donald

https://twitter.com/thedonaldreddit

e/ 2 days after Carlos Maza and media matters called for them to censor it


https://twitter.com/gaywonk/status/1143233301538365440


It is restricted due to significant issues with reporting and addressing violations of the Reddit Content Policy. Most recently the violations have included threats of violence against police and public officials.

I think it's pretty clear, not to mention it's well know this place is full of degenerates who prolly deserve to be re-educated.
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Jun 26 2019 01:11pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 26 2019 12:28pm)
i bet you could skyrocket to 100k karma on a new account just by copyposting "maybe some of this gun violence should make it's way back to GOP senators that wont vote for gun control because that NRA owns them" on every /r/news /r/politics gun related article.


I was thinking about how difficult the question is of 'how could the feds/executive intervene against tech censorship when the first amendment protects their crusade against free speech'
but then it hit me, the answer is staring us right in the face.

The DoJ has the power to use the same bullshit criterion that Reddit does of cherry picking isolated examples out of millions of posts and using them to justify censorship under a pretext.
The federal government could find a few comments on reddit that were facilitating illegal transactions and seize the entire site, slap one of these babies on it, and show them who's boss;

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It is restricted due to significant issues with reporting and addressing violations of the Reddit Content Policy. Most recently the violations have included threats of violence against police and public officials.

I think it's pretty clear, not to mention it's well know this place is full of degenerates who prolly deserve to be re-educated.


it's a parody sub of trump supporting trolls, just a rally in subforum form.

if you take anything they post seriously you've got worse problems than them. they're just a bunch of idiots shitposting.
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Jun 26 2019 01:14pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 26 2019 01:11pm)
I was thinking about how difficult the question is of 'how could the feds/executive intervene against tech censorship when the first amendment protects their crusade against free speech'
but then it hit me, the answer is staring us right in the face.

The DoJ has the power to use the same bullshit criterion that Reddit does of cherry picking isolated examples out of millions of posts and using them to justify censorship under a pretext.
The federal government could find a few comments on reddit that were facilitating illegal transactions and seize the entire site, slap one of these babies on it, and show them who's boss;

https://i.imgur.com/kee6DBn.png


they could try, and most likely it would just lead to mirrors.

look how well they've done with Pirate Bay, it's got like 200 proxies up at all times. and still the govts of the world are wasting money trying to take down the proxies....

censorship seems to only be effective at the platform level imo. govts can only create hydras out of these things, platforms delete root and stem.
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Jun 26 2019 01:24pm
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they could try, and most likely it would just lead to mirrors.

look how well they've done with Pirate Bay, it's got like 200 proxies up at all times. and still the govts of the world are wasting money trying to take down the proxies....

censorship seems to only be effective at the platform level imo. govts can only create hydras out of these things, platforms delete root and stem.


in a war between Spez and the federal government, the feds win. One side has pixels on the internet, the other side has flying GAU-8 Avengers
What we have is tech companies trying their hardest to influence politics through censorship, but a federal government hamstrung from protecting free speech by the protections on free speech
But there's nothing stopping the feds from exploiting the same bad faith of cherry picking illegal content and using it to justify taking down an entire site.
And if they do that, mirrors wouldn't hold it up. Reddit could be set up in Sweden, it wouldn't matter when 99.99% of the activity dies and former owners are spending their time complying with subpoenas to testify

The government has the power to shut down Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, etc under legal precedents like how they shut down Backpage. There's no arbitrary criterion of "there must be this much illegal content
Some people are arguing Ted Cruz should set up a panel to investigate them for election interference. It would amount to nothing. But seize their domains on the basis of a few bad apples, and shit would start flying

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jun 26 2019 01:24pm
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Jun 26 2019 01:26pm
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it's a parody sub of trump supporting trolls, just a rally in subforum form.

if you take anything they post seriously you've got worse problems than them. they're just a bunch of idiots shitposting.


Sounds like you don't understand what it is to hold a website and being responsible of its published content...
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Jun 26 2019 01:42pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jun 26 2019 01:26pm)
Sounds like you don't understand what it is to hold a website and being responsible of its published content...


sounds like you dont understand what a parody means. no surprise there.

Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 26 2019 01:24pm)
in a war between Spez and the federal government, the feds win. One side has pixels on the internet, the other side has flying GAU-8 Avengers
What we have is tech companies trying their hardest to influence politics through censorship, but a federal government hamstrung from protecting free speech by the protections on free speech
But there's nothing stopping the feds from exploiting the same bad faith of cherry picking illegal content and using it to justify taking down an entire site.
And if they do that, mirrors wouldn't hold it up. Reddit could be set up in Sweden, it wouldn't matter when 99.99% of the activity dies and former owners are spending their time complying with subpoenas to testify

The government has the power to shut down Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, etc under legal precedents like how they shut down Backpage. There's no arbitrary criterion of "there must be this much illegal content
Some people are arguing Ted Cruz should set up a panel to investigate them for election interference. It would amount to nothing. But seize their domains on the basis of a few bad apples, and shit would start flying


Edit: i agree with most of the non-bold in shades of gray.

by banning Alex Jones, Milo, and Gavin?

honestly to my eyes it looks like they're hardly trying at all. if anything their usage of the user report system as a mechanism hamstrings them.

there still hasn't been one person who's been banned that was anything but controversial and extreme in their rhetoric, even if it was all a joke.

i wont honestly get too scared until they start the 1 day auto bans for users run by an algorithm, and nor will most other people. seems to me to be too much "they could" and not enough "they will" in these conversations.

people really do like to bitch that the user reported system is unfair, and that human response time is too slow and too cumbersome. those people are morons. those people are welcoming the algorithmic overlord moderator that will be the real end of free speech. we need to find a way to self-regulate, at least within some bounds, or we're all finished.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jun 26 2019 01:43pm
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Jun 26 2019 01:46pm
Quote (thesnipa @ 26 Jun 2019 20:42)
sounds like you dont understand what a parody means. no surprise there.


You owned yourself with such stupid "oh but look it's just a joke sub", end of story.
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