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Jun 29 2022 04:56am
Quote (thundercock @ Jun 29 2022 01:41am)
The Russians didn't have enough resources to successfully lay siege to Kyiv. They tried to surround the city (Bucha, Irpin, Gostomel, Vasylkiv, etc.) and they tried to reinforce their troops through Sumy and Chernihiv "axes." They tried to do the same to Kharkiv too. At the end of the day, it was a miscalculation on their part and it cost them severely. They lost A LOT of special forces trying to shock Kyiv into submission.

Comparing Mariupol to Kyiv is strange because Mariupol was able to be surrounded due to the Russian Navy and is significantly smaller. We've been saying since early March that for Russia to take Ukraine, they would need at least 500k troops. 100k of those would have to be dedicated to Kyiv alone.


The distinction here is that they didn't try to unsuccessfully storm or siege the city. They backed away without a major engagement. They certainly tried to surround the city, to maneuver large amounts of forces and troops into position, but they just sat there and did not breach the city en masse, nor bombard it with their overwhelming artillery and mass missile strikes. The fighting that did happen was very sporadic and isolated, not even damaging any critical infrastructure. Perhaps capturing the city outright would require more troops than Russia fielded, maybe it would have been possible, I don't think we know, because it wasn't put to the test. But we know they could have flattened Kiev and turned it into a smoking ruin with just artillery or airstrikes, and that wouldn't take 500,000 troops to accomplish, and could be done with conventional weapons as we've seen in the other cities.

So to bring it back to the original point- was it some kind of strategic error, where they planned around a decapitation strike and the abrupt fall of the regime, and had no backup plan, and just reworked their whole strategy on the fly? Or was it a gambit, a low investment into the hope that they could take Ukraine without a fight, a bluff that they would not follow through if the Ukrainians stood their ground?
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Jun 29 2022 05:04am
Chmonya has been exchanged for Ukrainian POW, for those who are not aware "Chmonya" was captured on March 1st, and has became a symbol of inept russian army
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Jun 29 2022 05:06am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 29 2022 01:56pm)
The distinction here is that they didn't try to unsuccessfully storm or siege the city. They backed away without a major engagement. They certainly tried to surround the city, to maneuver large amounts of forces and troops into position, but they just sat there and did not breach the city en masse, nor bombard it with their overwhelming artillery and mass missile strikes. The fighting that did happen was very sporadic and isolated, not even damaging any critical infrastructure. Perhaps capturing the city outright would require more troops than Russia fielded, maybe it would have been possible, I don't think we know, because it wasn't put to the test. But we know they could have flattened Kiev and turned it into a smoking ruin with just artillery or airstrikes, and that wouldn't take 500,000 troops to accomplish, and could be done with conventional weapons as we've seen in the other cities.

So to bring it back to the original point- was it some kind of strategic error, where they planned around a decapitation strike and the abrupt fall of the regime, and had no backup plan, and just reworked their whole strategy on the fly? Or was it a gambit, a low investment into the hope that they could take Ukraine without a fight, a bluff that they would not follow through if the Ukrainians stood their ground?


They backed away because it was obvious by casualties they where taking that they wouldn't be able to sustain a siege around Kiev, thats what every military expert stated. But of course jsp professors know better.
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NATO strikes deal with Turkey to admit Sweden and Finland; Key G-7 countries ban Russian gold imports

As NATO members gathered in Spain on Tuesday, Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg announced the alliance reached a deal with Turkey to accept membership bids from Sweden and Finland.

The two nations moved to join NATO after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine raised fears about Russian aggression elsewhere.

The summit is arguably the most important meeting of the alliance in recent months, with member countries and non-NATO allies, such as Australia and South Korea, set to discuss the war in Ukraine and how to confront an increasingly hostile Russia.

On Monday, Stoltenberg said the Western military organization would increase the number of troops within its rapid response force — which comprises land, air, sea and special forces units that are capable of being deployed quickly — to 300,000 from the current level of around 40,000 personnel.

Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskyy addressed the leaders of the G-7 nations on Monday, pressing them for more heavy weaponry and help to end the war before winter sets in.





Ban on Russian gold, NATO expanding near russia, now the land border between nato and russia will be 1300+km larger
pootin outplaying everyone per usual :lol:


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Jun 29 2022 05:31am
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The Soviet Union fell a few decades ago. Risk is appropriate.

BTW, last I checked, the USSR was an Allied power. Weird, huh?


Is there even risk online?

Enemy of my enemy.
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Jun 29 2022 05:31am
And as symbolic as it is, russia has finally defaulted on its obligations, when winter comes and ordinary russians will start feeling first effects of the very painful sanctions things will get nasty really really quick over there. Question is whether the silovik machine will be able to put down kholops who don't want to live like animals in Africa, and "triumphs" of destroying 40-80,000 towns every 2-3 months in eastern Ukraine definitely won't be enough to feed and control zombies who live near biggest gas exporting pumps in the world, yet have to burn wood in the stove to not freeze in the winter.



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russian pidors constantly hitting "strategic military" shopping centres that "are not working" and "serve as bases for foreign mercenaries"
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Jun 29 2022 10:14am
144 PoWs were exchanged today, including 43 Azov neo-nazies. So called denazification. :) C- consistency

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Jun 29 2022 11:02am
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Ban on Russian gold, NATO expanding near russia, now the land border between nato and russia will be 1300+km larger
pootin outplaying everyone per usual :lol:


If Finland or Sweden become a problem then it can be solved with one missile each. They are dumb as fuck, Russia won't treat them kindly like Ukraine
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