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Jun 9 2023 01:31pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Jun 9 2023 12:06pm)
if there is no consent, theres nothing that separates forced medical experimentation from that of the Nazi's. the article you linked me says exactly the same. consent would have to be mandatory


It's not like consent is the primary determinant for differentiating between legitimate experimentation and Nazi war crimes

Nazi experimentation was a combination of everything - done on people who were not condemned criminals, done on people simply based on their race, often no legitimate medical purpose for the experiments (they did many experiments to attempt to demonstrate the superiority of Germans), etc.
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Jun 9 2023 01:34pm
Quote (El1te @ Jun 9 2023 12:31pm)
It's not like consent is the primary determinant for differentiating between legitimate experimentation and Nazi war crimes

Nazi experimentation was a combination of everything - done on people who were not condemned criminals, done on people simply based on their race, often no legitimate medical purpose for the experiments (they did many experiments to attempt to demonstrate the superiority of Germans), etc.


it absolutely is, just like consent is the primary determinant between rape and making love. if you truly believe that prisoners should be subjected to medical experiments without their consent, you are indeed a Nazi
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Jun 9 2023 01:42pm
Quote (El1te @ Jun 9 2023 02:29pm)
I actually am an enjoyer of vanilla mainly but I do like that chocolate ice cream after a bit of dope


Chocolate based blended icrecreams are a trap. its just an excuse to include less toppings with the ellure of cheap chocolate syrup. im glad you're on the right side of history.
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Jun 9 2023 01:54pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Jun 9 2023 11:30am)
I'm not really interested to go back and dig up specific quotes, but it is probably safe to assume that most of your political / religious opinions that you have expressed here, I fundamentally disagree with.

I would say it is a consequence of the internet being dehumanizing to an extent but people have been acting the same way throughout history so I think it is just the human condition to discriminate this way


I suppose that's where we differ, in that I view empathy and dehumanization as choices that we each make--irrespective of whether the immediate context of communication (ie. The Internet) is associated as a dehumanizing environment.

It's also likely a difference in our worldview, as I don't see society as part of a culture war in which there are major adversaries around every corner. I think humans, at our core, are much more similar than we are different and that there's a great deal we can learn from people with whom we disagree. There are likely things that you know that I don't, that I could learn from you, or could be convinced to shift my perspective on. I think it would be hard to access that possibility though if I felt we were in some kind of culture war.
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Jun 9 2023 01:58pm
Quote (El1te @ Jun 9 2023 09:17am)
Obviously. Sodomy is sodomy. Hetero sodomy is just as bad as homo sodomy

Please read this study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9264731/


wow they dont know anything bout monkey pox?

Quote (JessiWan @ Jun 9 2023 09:18am)
Suffering that happens on a smaller scale is still suffering.


sure do sing different tunes. this time its not a big deal but with covid 99.97 survival rate they were screaming and REEEEing forever wearing 2 masks moonsuits and jabbing all up with the most hated trump sauce. seems its all based on how the elites want them to react?
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Jun 9 2023 02:05pm
Quote (El1te @ Jun 9 2023 09:24am)
It takes a special kind of mental gymnastics to argue that sodomy doesn't spread disease


aka thor gymnastics

Quote (El1te @ Jun 9 2023 09:25am)
I'm not advocating for any particular law - I'm pointing out that if public harm is the objective measure of which to restrict freedoms, then banning anal sex should be priority #1


sodomites are bug chasers

Quote (Handcuffs @ Jun 9 2023 09:30am)
Gay Island would be much more fun, that's for sure.


its called san francisco and its a failing city

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Jun 9 2023 02:10pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jun 9 2023 09:31am)
I'm genuinely curious your perspective. I think it's a very fascinating, existential question and one that is increasingly being talked about as our species becomes more and more intelligent and meta-cognitive.


you believe this?

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Jun 9 2023 02:11pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Jun 9 2023 01:10pm)
you believe this?


That our species has become increasingly more intelligent over time? Well, of course.
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Jun 9 2023 02:14pm
Quote (El1te @ Jun 9 2023 01:29pm)
We can certainly correlate behavioural experiments in animals to humans - humans are animals after all. However like I stated, it isn't perfect and shouldn't be used as an end all-be all of the study of human behaviour.

Personally, I'm against animal testing. I love animals alot and testing on and murdering poor mice and bunnies constantly is the main reason I had no interest in going into the biological field.

These tests should really be done with the condemned wicked


We can in some circumstances get very basic information on behavior from animals.

But the rat utopia experiments were trash from start to finish and can't tell us anything about human society.

No animal model can tell us much about human society. We are so much more complex than any animal model in this regard that there just isn't much to gain. It's not like biology where we can isolate similar proteins. Humans are completely unique in our societal organization on earth.
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Jun 9 2023 02:15pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jun 9 2023 01:11pm)
That our species has become increasingly more intelligent over time? Well, of course.


TiStuff and net would be exceptions to this, of course.
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