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Quote (Goomshill @ 22 Jun 2022 09:51)
Most of the restrictions have already been lifted or eased, and the interest rate brought back down. Its been like that for a month, its even marked on that graph.
The dip was an artificial dip, the strength since then reflects actual trade imbalance in favor of Russia.
Its pretty easy to tell where the market manipulation occurred, and then what happened when the dust settled;

https://i.imgur.com/iuVV3Su.jpg

Its hard to understate just how much of a colossal failure this has been on NATO and the Biden administration. When Trump fought a trade war on China, he extracted some meaningful but meagre concessions but it fueled the tailwinds of an economic boom. It worked out, and Democrats were left trying to criticize it for 'not being effective enough' even though they had opposed it every step of the way. Now when Biden is fighting trade war on Russia, he did it in the most militant all-out no-holds-barred way and fired every salvo we had. And the result was our economy has been crippled and Russia is experiencing a renaissance. This is the same story as the Embargo Act of 1807, where Jefferson tried to stick it to Britain with sanctions in response to their naval transgressions. And the US economy blew up and Britain did better than ever, and a few years later British troops burned the white house to the ground, and god almighty threw a few tornados into the mix just to fuck with them.

Biden isn't just a bad president, he's not just the worst in recent memory, he's finding novel ways to fuck up and make things worse


I didnt know you were a russian agent, i was just thinking you were an angry trump supporter.
The only "ease in restrictions" were on COVID.
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I didnt know you were a russian agent, i was just thinking you were an angry trump supporter.
The only "ease in restrictions" were on COVID.


The ease on restrictions was on capital controls. The way the Russian federal bank controls their currency and the import/export regulations. When America started the sanctions, they banned money transfers to foreign accounts, required exporters to convert 80% of foreign-currency revenue to rubles, raised the interest rate to 20% and several other measures. Then a month ago they lifted the ban on foreign currency transfers, reduced the requirement on exporters to a 50% conversion rate, and lowered the interest rate to 9.5%. You were not aware any of this actually happened, nor that it was undone. Because its much easier to blindly follow a political narrative than to process information that would contradict it.

Right now America and all of Europe is on the bring of economic collapse, whereas Russia is not. The result of American sanctions has been a trade imbalance that favors Russia, raising the value of their exports, trading at their strongest level in nearly a decade. The west's strategy is an unmitigated failure.
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The ease on restrictions was on capital controls. The way the Russian federal bank controls their currency and the import/export regulations. When America started the sanctions, they banned money transfers to foreign accounts, required exporters to convert 80% of foreign-currency revenue to rubles, raised the interest rate to 20% and several other measures. Then a month ago they lifted the ban on foreign currency transfers, reduced the requirement on exporters to a 50% conversion rate, and lowered the interest rate to 9.5%. You were not aware any of this actually happened, nor that it was undone. Because its much easier to blindly follow a political narrative than to process information that would contradict it.

Right now America and all of Europe is on the bring of economic collapse, whereas Russia is not. The result of American sanctions has been a trade imbalance that favors Russia, raising the value of their exports, trading at their strongest level in nearly a decade. The west's strategy is an unmitigated failure.


I don't know if the picture is really that rosy for Russia but its obvious that the economic war backfired tremendously. You should read the piece on sanctions I posted a few pages back. I think their biggest issue atm is sourcing high tech components. Chips, plane parts, etc.

It's hard to say how Russia will fare economically mid-long term (next 5-20 years) but when you have literally half of the developing world in India+China tremendously hungry for energy and Russia offering discounted energy you'd have to be really ignorant to think they will implode.
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Red Alert 2 - In Deep

Yuri is master.

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The European Union has lost its political sovereignty, its elites are “dancing to someone else’s tune” , doing everything they are told from above. What is happening is not the result of recent months and definitely not the result of the NWO, the president said. To say that this is so is to engage in distortion of facts. “Inflation among our partners has been growing for a long time ,” Putin said. This is a logical consequence of the irresponsible macroeconomic policies of the G7 countries , a consequence of the accumulation of unsecured debts.


https://anarchistbanjosworld.com/2022/06/18/global-economic-collapse-a-different-world-view/

The head of Russia said that it is important to understand that the sanctions weapon used by the West is double-edged. There is a furtive discussion in governments today that sanctions can be applied against any state. European politicians dealt a blow to the economies of their own countries with their own hands. The cost of goods, food, electricity and automotive fuel is rising. Experts estimate that the estimated losses of the European Union could exceed $ 400 billion , Putin said.

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The European Union has lost its political sovereignty, its elites are “dancing to someone else’s tune” , doing everything they are told from above. What is happening is not the result of recent months and definitely not the result of the NWO, the president said. To say that this is so is to engage in distortion of facts. “Inflation among our partners has been growing for a long time ,” Putin said. This is a logical consequence of the irresponsible macroeconomic policies of the G7 countries , a consequence of the accumulation of unsecured debts.


https://anarchistbanjosworld.com/2022/06/18/global-economic-collapse-a-different-world-view/

The head of Russia said that it is important to understand that the sanctions weapon used by the West is double-edged. There is a furtive discussion in governments today that sanctions can be applied against any state. European politicians dealt a blow to the economies of their own countries with their own hands. The cost of goods, food, electricity and automotive fuel is rising. Experts estimate that the estimated losses of the European Union could exceed $ 400 billion , Putin said.


In laymans terms, I believe you are saying:

statement: >>The EU does not make political decisions, relating to Russia, but rather they do what they are told to do by? America? This has been the case for years. <<

I dont understand it when you then proceed to state "To say that this is so is to engage in distortion of facts". Such a statement refutes the initial statement / argument and instead suggests: The EU has maintained its political sovereignty and it does not dance to someone elses tune. You then refer to Inflation and unsecured debt. Now forgive me, but you will have to join the dots and explain what it is you are trying to say about European Political sovereignty as well as the comments relating to unsecured debt, and how they relate to each other, because you lost me.

The fact that sanctions in this instance is a double edged sword is probably a welcome occasion in Russia, and this i can understand.

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jun 22 2022 01:16pm)
I don't know if the picture is really that rosy for Russia but its obvious that the economic war backfired tremendously. You should read the piece on sanctions I posted a few pages back. I think their biggest issue atm is sourcing high tech components. Chips, plane parts, etc.

It's hard to say how Russia will fare economically mid-long term (next 5-20 years) but when you have literally half of the developing world in India+China tremendously hungry for energy and Russia offering discounted energy you'd have to be really ignorant to think they will implode.


This really goes back to the comments previously made, be careful of burning bridges as its very hard to get back to where you came from.

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In laymans terms, I believe you are saying:

statement: >>The EU does not make political decisions, relating to Russia, but rather they do what they are told to do by? America? This has been the case for years. <<

I dont understand it when you then proceed to state "To say that this is so is to engage in distortion of facts". Such a statement refutes the initial statement / argument and instead suggests: The EU has maintained its political sovereignty and it does not dance to someone elses tune. You then refer to Inflation and unsecured debt. Now forgive me, but you will have to join the dots and explain what it is you are trying to say about European Political sovereignty as well as the comments relating to unsecured debt, because you lost me.

The fact that sanctions in this instance is a double edged sword is probably a welcome occasion in Russia, and this i can understand.



Those two quotes are what Putin said, I’m merely quoting him.
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Ok forgive me now, I am going to dump that article here, /edit no I wont its way too long, its eye cancer but i have read it so referring back to what was quoted and summarizing the article ~

Putin's view is that the Days of American Dominance are over and that the world has changed with new centers of geopolitical might ( I assume he is referring specifically to India and China ) which will overtake the US regardless of US / Western actions to prevent same. He then waffled on about how great Russia is and how shit the West is. He inferred that Russia will grow with its new friends and gave a middle finger to the EU. On review this looks to be a fairytale wishlist of how wonderful Russia is and how a new Dawn has arisen with only Hope, Happiness and Advancement on the cards for Russia from this point onwards.

The articles reads as propaganda to be honest. no harm in that provided you accept it for what it is. yes for sure it has alot of truths but im unsure as to broadly what value it provides to this topic, noting it covers old ground. the only new thing here is that Putin seems very content to walk away from the EU now.

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A bit long to read, but i made interlines to make it easier

First one is tactical/strategy, the second one is about economeh



Russia has already “strategically lost” the war in Ukraine and is a “more diminished power” on the world stage as a result of the invasion, according to the U.K.’s defense chief.

Admiral Sir Tony Radakin, who heads up the British armed forces, told PA Media in an interview published Friday that the Russian president had used 25% of his country’s army but achieved only “tiny” gains.

“This is a dreadful mistake by Russia,” he said. “Russia will never take control of Ukraine. Russia has strategically lost already.”

Radakin explained that Moscow had been forced to abandon its objectives of seizing control of most Ukrainian cities, noting that Russian forces were vulnerable because they were running out of people and military hardware.

“Any notion that this is a success for Russia is nonsense. Russia is failing,” he told PA.

“It might be getting some tactical successes over the last few weeks, and those might continue for the next few weeks—but Russia is losing strategically.”

Spokespersons for the Ukrainian and Russian governments were not immediately available for comment when contacted by Fortune.
‘A disaster for Putin’

Chris Tuck, a reader in strategic studies at King’s College London, told Fortune that although Russian forces were having some tactical successes in limited areas, such as the eastern city of Severodonetsk, strategically the invasion of Ukraine has been “a disaster for Putin and Russia.”

Radakin’s comments, he said, were intended to separate Moscow’s limited successes from the bigger picture of what had been happening in Ukraine.

“Russia has categorically failed to achieve any of the objectives it set out to achieve in the initial stage of the invasion,” Tuck said in a phone call on Friday. “It obviously intended to try and regain control of Ukraine, and of course that hasn’t happened—if anything it’s pushed Ukraine further away.”

He noted that many of Moscow’s other objectives—like the weakening of NATO and the demonstration of Russia’s military power—had also been counterproductive.

One of Russia’s key demands as it amassed thousands of troops at the border it shares with Ukraine before invading its neighbor was that Ukraine should never be permitted to join NATO, the world’s most powerful military alliance.

NATO and the U.S. both said that such a request could not be accommodated, and since the invasion of Ukraine in late February, the alliance has stepped up its presence in eastern Europe while both Sweden and Finland have taken steps to join the organization.

Jonathan Eyal, associate director of strategic research partnerships at defense think tank the Royal United Services Institute, told Fortune on Friday that ultimately, Putin’s strategic objective in Ukraine was to re-create the old Soviet Empire by reimposing control over Ukraine.

“Russia has lost strategically if we assume, as looks likely, that the objective of Putin was to take over Ukraine and transform it into a satellite state under Russian influence,” he said. “So in that respect, Russia has failed strategically. It is now blatantly obvious that Ukraine may not regain full control of all its territory, but it will remain an independent state, and more importantly it will remain a state that will challenge Russian influence in the region.”

However, Eyal added that while it was true that the strategic objective of Russia had failed for the moment, this was merely a snapshot of the situation.

“The final judgment on this sad objective of Putin is yet to be delivered,” he told Fortune.

“The more important question still remains around what lesson Russian leaders draw out of the conflict. The debate is not really on whether Putin has failed strategically, but on whether it would be obvious to Russian decision-makers in the future that this was a disaster.”

Eyal also warned that if Putin succeeds in “grabbing a chunk of Ukraine” and the West remains divided on the country’s future, Russia could still achieve some of its long-term strategic objectives.

“Clearly Putin’s failed, but he may be able to snatch victory out of defeat if we [in the West] do not come to a very decisive conclusion what is going to happen to Ukraine after the fighting is over,” he said. “If Ukraine remains suspended in the air and nobody knows what to do with it, then Russia’s still got a chance to come back at it.”



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Vladimir Putin was keen to emphasise this in his address to the St Petersburg International Economic Forum, until now a symbol of post-Soviet Russia’s economic ties with the West, on June 17. The “blitzkrieg” of Western sanctions was “stupid”, the Russian president said. But they have “failed”.

Along with allies like the UK, Australia and Japan, the US and EU have imposed colossal sanctions on Russia for its February 24 invasion of Ukraine – including the unprecedented freezing of some $300 billion in Russian foreign currency reserves which Moscow thought would be an insurance policy against Western pressure.

But while the Russian economy is holding up well, analysts say the worst is yet to come for Moscow.

A week after Russia invaded, provoking a swift storm of sanctions, the rouble had fallen to its lowest level ever against the dollar and euro. By depriving Russia of that colossal arsenal of foreign currency reserves, the West deprived it of a fundamental means of holding up its currency’s value.

The Russian Central Bank countered, however, by raising interest rates to 20 percent and imposing dramatic capital controls on companies and citizens alike.

The soaring rouble shows the Russian Central Bank is succeeding. The currency’s high value is “undeniably a political blessing” for Russia, said economist Julien Vercueil, co-president of INALCO University in Paris. “At the outset of the war Moscow really feared a financial panic that would spark runaway inflation and permanently undermine people’s confidence in the rouble. They’ve averted that risk for the time being.

“On the other hand, the rouble’s current value is so high that Russian-made products are uncompetitive against foreign competitors in terms of price,” Vercueil continued. “That may complicate the import substitution policy Putin has called for.”
The gift of oil

Periods of high oil prices have long offered Moscow a bonanza. It allowed the USSR to conceal its economic weakness and give its citizens unprecedented living standards under Leonid Brezhnev in the 1970s and under Putin in the 2000s, who nursed the Russian economy back to health after the calamity of the 1990s.

This phenomenon is playing out again, with hydrocarbons still making up over 60 percent of the fossil fuel-rich country’s exports.

Amid surging oil prices, Russia received €93 billion in fossil fuel exports during the war’s first 100 days, according to a report by the Helsinki-based Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air published in June.

For all the tough talk in EU capitals – and for all the pressure exerted by Kyiv – the report found the EU accounted for 61 percent of Russian hydrocarbon exports, amounting to about €57 billion.

Germany has been a major importer of Russian gas ever since Brezhnev was in the Kremlin. Accordingly, Berlin rejected in early April an EU ban on Russian gas imports.

However, the EU included a gradually imposed embargo on Russian crude oil and petroleum products in its sixth round of sanctions adopted in early June, with the expectation of cutting these imports by 90 percent by 2023.

Russia accounts for more than 11 percent of global oil production, so the EU embargo risks further jacking up the price at a time of rampant inflation. But the ban will be a potent weapon for the EU to wield against Moscow, said Philippe Waechter, head of economic research at French financial services firm Ostrum Asset Management.

“This is an absolutely crucial measure because it’s oil that’s allowing Russia to hold out in this war,” Waechter put it. “People talk a lot about Russian gas because Europe is very dependent on it and that gives Russia significant leverage. But oil brings in three times more money than gas to Russia, so [the EU] can really make a difference here.”
Threats to manufacturing

Russia’s financial services sector has so far cushioned the impact of Western sanctions. But much of the manufacturing sector has been hit hard – notably the automotive industry, which in April saw an extraordinary 78.5 percent year-on-year plunge in vehicle sales.

This was a consequence of international companies like Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen and Renault leaving and indeed the Western embargo on electronic components at a time of global shortages.

In a context of “very strong” post-Covid demand for manufactured goods, some Chinese factories are “still operating at a slow pace, for instance in the Shanghai area, which is still affected by the pandemic”, Waechter noted.

“For other big Asian producers of electronic components such as Japan, South Korea and Taiwan – which have very good relationships with the West – supplying Russia with components is not exactly a top priority,” he added.

Faced with the same supply disruptions, Russia’s aviation industry has also had to deal with the EU, US, UK and Canada closing their air space to Russian planes which has considerably disrupted air travel while sending Russian ticket prices skyrocketing.

Nonetheless, official figures for April show that it’s not just sectors like oil and mining that are holding up relatively well in Russia –they recorded tiny year-on-year output declines of 1.6 percent and 2.1 percent respectively – but so too the pharmaceutical and beverage industries which registered double-digit growth.

But Vercueil questions whether Russia’s economic resilience is sustainable. “For the moment, official figures aren’t showing a sharp overall drop in production; the initial impact of sanctions has been more or less absorbed, despite a significant spike in inflation,” he said. “But in the medium to long term, Russia’s decoupling from Western economies will have serious consequences for its living standards and technological capabilities. The relationship with some Asian countries can limit the damage – but in my view it won’t be enough to fully compensate.”

“Russia is cushioning the stock today – but what about its ability to rebound?” Waechter added. “Not only is this war monopolising state revenues, it’s also depriving Russia of the technology transfers Western companies provide. This represents a major innovation deficit, one that Moscow will have a hard time making up unless it considerably increases its dependence on China.”

Russia’s economy ministry said in May that it expects a recession of 7.8 percent to 8.8 percent in 2022, before returning to growth the following year through a “structural transformation” across the economy. That would be the country’s largest annual fall in GDP in the last two decades.

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How the war is going, lol:

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