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Quote (Bananii @ Jun 21 2022 09:00am)
well, if i remember right, few hundred years back, for example in spain there used to live all religions together. muslims, jews,christians, etc.
one day the church decided to „convince“ those mixed up ppl just to accept christianity as their religion.

over 2 millions people died that time, because they didnt want to convert to christianity.

its just 1 example.

dawkin lied.


The Reconquista was a centuries long struggle political struggle between Christian and Islamic rulers, one which began as a result of the Umayyad conquest of Hispania.

"...And then one day, for no reason at all, the Church decided to kick Muslims out of Spain" is an elementary school tier rendition of history.

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The beginning of the Reconquista is traditionally marked with the Battle of Covadonga (718 or 722), the first known victory by Christian military forces in Hispania since the 711 military invasion which was undertaken by combined Arab-Berber forces. The rebels who were led by Pelagius defeated a Muslim army in the mountains of northern Hispania and established the independent Christian Kingdom of Asturias.[3]

In the late 10th century, the Umayyad vizier Almanzor waged military campaigns for 30 years to subjugate the northern Christian kingdoms. His armies ravaged the north, even sacking the great Santiago de Compostela Cathedral. When the government of Córdoba disintegrated in the early 11th century, a series of petty successor states known as taifas emerged. The northern kingdoms took advantage of this situation and struck deep into al-Andalus; they fostered civil war, intimidated the weakened taifas, and made them pay large tributes (parias) for "protection".

After a Muslim resurgence under the Almohads in the 12th century, the great Moorish strongholds in the south fell to Christian forces in the 13th century after the decisive battle of Las Navas de Tolosa (1212)—Córdoba in 1236 and Seville in 1248 —leaving only the Muslim enclave of Granada as a tributary state in the south. After the surrender of Granada on January 1492, the entire Iberian peninsula was controlled by Christian rulers. On 30 July 1492, as a result of the Alhambra Decree, all the Jewish community —some 200,000 people— were forcibly expelled. The conquest was followed by a series of edicts (1499–1526) which forced the conversions of Muslims in Spain, who were later expelled from the Iberian peninsula by the decrees of King Philip III in 1609.[4][5][6]


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Quote (HeLiCaL @ Jun 21 2022 11:41am)


It's about killing the Ukraines and the white Russians.
Always was.
Fvck both of their lying corrupt governments.
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According to that article they are still losing millions of dollars per day in sales.
so.. unless your article is wrong?
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Jun 21 2022 11:09pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ Jun 21 2022 09:17pm)
According to that article they are still losing millions of dollars per day in sales.
so.. unless your article is wrong?


That claim was based on naively comparing Russian oil prices to global markets, and estimating the potential if they were selling at the same rate. Which doesn't make economic sense, since if Russian crude was on the same market it would bring down the global price. Which is why gas is more expensive in the US right now. The fact is, they're selling at a discount and still reaping massive profits over their pre-sanction levels, with a massive trade imbalance in their favor which results in a very strong ruble. They're not just weathering sanctions, they're booming. Its true echoes of the 1807 embargo act, in terms of how much its backfiring.
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Jun 21 2022 11:42pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 21 2022 10:09pm)
That claim was based on naively comparing Russian oil prices to global markets, and estimating the potential if they were selling at the same rate. Which doesn't make economic sense, since if Russian crude was on the same market it would bring down the global price. Which is why gas is more expensive in the US right now. The fact is, they're selling at a discount and still reaping massive profits over their pre-sanction levels, with a massive trade imbalance in their favor which results in a very strong ruble. They're not just weathering sanctions, they're booming. Its true echoes of the 1807 embargo act, in terms of how much its backfiring.


So part of the article is right part of it is wrong. ok
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Jun 22 2022 12:00am
Quote (theCrossbones @ Jun 22 2022 12:42am)
So part of the article is right part of it is wrong. ok


They could be selling oil at $300 a barrel! So they're losing $1.3 billion per day!
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You realize it's an artificial indicator or that investors in Russian market cannot sell their stocks isnt it ?

https://cepa.org/russia-begins-to-pay-the-price-for-sanctions/
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jun 22 2022 03:53am)
You realize it's an artificial indicator or that investors in Russian market cannot sell their stocks isnt it ?

https://cepa.org/russia-begins-to-pay-the-price-for-sanctions/


Most of the restrictions have already been lifted or eased, and the interest rate brought back down. Its been like that for a month, its even marked on that graph.
The dip was an artificial dip, the strength since then reflects actual trade imbalance in favor of Russia.
Its pretty easy to tell where the market manipulation occurred, and then what happened when the dust settled;



Its hard to understate just how much of a colossal failure this has been on NATO and the Biden administration. When Trump fought a trade war on China, he extracted some meaningful but meagre concessions but it fueled the tailwinds of an economic boom. It worked out, and Democrats were left trying to criticize it for 'not being effective enough' even though they had opposed it every step of the way. Now when Biden is fighting trade war on Russia, he did it in the most militant all-out no-holds-barred way and fired every salvo we had. And the result was our economy has been crippled and Russia is experiencing a renaissance. This is the same story as the Embargo Act of 1807, where Jefferson tried to stick it to Britain with sanctions in response to their naval transgressions. And the US economy blew up and Britain did better than ever, and a few years later British troops burned the white house to the ground, and god almighty threw a few tornados into the mix just to fuck with them.

Biden isn't just a bad president, he's not just the worst in recent memory, he's finding novel ways to fuck up and make things worse
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