normal. propaganda. not surprised at all.

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doubt that was by accident


https://twitter.com/aTeXan575/status/1500562996262801425

And if Trumpers overthrew the government in 2021 and installed Trump in a coup, they would say the same thing: a cloud of controversy and vote rigging. And when Hillary lost in 2016, democrats spent the next 4 years doing exactly that. Muh russia, crossfire hurricane, mueller; trump tower, magnitsky, on and on. Delegitimizing a democracy is so easy, isn't it?

Yanukovich won his election. He was removed by a coup d'etat. That was the end of democracy in Ukraine. The country schismed and his supporters broke away as independent republics, which either joined Russia or became their vassal.

He tried to sign over their sovereignty and you can't do that. It would be like if Trump formally tried to become a vassal state to Russia and not just be a compromised person.

This post was edited by Skinned on Mar 6 2022 06:20pm

It’s hard not to just laugh at the insinuation that HRC is more RU compromised than the trump family

one should add that this extremely violent overthrow happened a few months away from the next presidential election

it was a sponsored coup by the west to get the people they wanted in power before things could happen naturally

yanukovich would have been peacefully removed in that next election and his wrongdoings like ignoring the parliaments EU treaty vote corrected without a civil war

5 points were added to your social credit score.

putin bot uses false equivalence. it's not very effective.

yanukovich "winning" and "the west" overthrowing a "democratically elected regime" is about as dumb and false and asinine of a take as the whole "de-nazifying" narrative, and unsurprisingly comes from the same source. no wonder that all the russian trolls and empty-headed trumpets like yourself, ampoo, djunior, and void uncritically bought into it, lol. (inb4 that one mearsheimer video that was criticised and debunked into oblivion)

then again, considering it's coming from someone who lives in an oligarchy with a fundamentally flawed "democratic process", used to and ok with extreme partisan gerrymandering, blatant voter disenfranchisement, and welcoming foreign election interference... maybe putin's ukrainian puppet (who miraculously "won" a runoff election despite the exit polls being massively in favour of his opponent who conveniently suffered from the severe health consequences from a previous assassination attempt by yanukovich's russian allies), might genuinely resemble a legitimate leader to you - that doesn't make it true though.

You really can't compare the election security standards and the democratic tradition in a country like the United States with those in a place like Ukraine. There was next to no meat to the bone of the allegations of voter fraud after the 2016 and 2020 US elections while similar allegations after the 2004 and 2010 Ukrainian elections were far more credible. You're also conveniently ignoring my point that not just Western intelligence agencies, but also Russian ones were active during the Euromaidan protests.

Previously, you were talking about Ukraine becoming Russia's bitch. If you ask me, the country already became a bitch in 2014 when it turned into the battleground of a cynical power struggle between the West and Russia.



That doesn't make sense though. If Yanukovich was about to get voted out very soon anyway, why would the EU/the West instead incite a revolution to force things? This only makes sense if there was a genuine risk that the other side would have cancelled or rigged the election if given enough time.

Also, in recent days, we've witness the will of so many Ukrainians to literally sacrifice their life for their country and its westward orientation. This kinda retroactively proves that the pro-EU sentiment on display during the Euromaidan protests was in large parts legit and not astroturfed.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Mar 6 2022 07:00pm

there surely was a risk as there were doubts about yanukovich getting elected in 2010 already

but i still think this move was made, as i said, to be able to move the wanted candidates in

what dumb people like fenderp forget are things like the infamous victoria nuland call, which literally confirms western decision makers messing with the ukranian democratic process and deciding from washington, who should be allowed to participate and who should not (and they insulted the EU while doing it lol)

there is clearly a big pro western majority in ukraine except the east, doesnt mean the whole process has not been messed with

selensky is an obvious puppet of the oligarch ihor kolomojsky (super shady person), who owns the tv channel 1+1, where selenski had a show and was unsuccessful with his own power grabs

the massive division within ukraine was not sustainable anyway, but with the 2014 overthrow things escalated, this could have easily been avoided

however the regime in kiev played hardball cheered on by the west and poked the russian bear until putin lost it

i will say though that with the same development the question of ukraine becoming a NATO member would have led to a conflict no matter who is in charge in moscow, statements suggesting a neutral ukraine to keep the peace go back 20 years

now the average ukranian has to suffer for it

This post was edited by JohnnyMcCoy on Mar 6 2022 07:35pm