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Jun 9 2020 08:26am
Quote (fuzzy159 @ Jun 9 2020 10:18am)
It is a trap that Democrats laid for themselves lol.....


Unlike Republicans, Democrats are a real political party capable of governing and leading. They could've supported this minority populist position put forth by activists. Instead, they are moving in a sensible direction.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/08/us/politics/biden-defund-the-police.html

He's not falling into this trap. Neither are most Democrats.


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It is a trap that Democrats laid for themselves lol.....


Getting fully behind calls to "defund the police" would of course be a mistake, but basically giving the protesters nothing but lipservice might also be a mistake. This has the potential to drive a wedge between the progressives/activists and the party establishment in the very moment when they could have banded together. This risks wasting the momentum which these protesters are currently having instead of tapping into their energy and using it for Biden's campaign.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 9 2020 10:27am)
Getting fully behind calls to "defund the police" would of course be a mistake, but basically giving the protesters nothing but lipservice might also be a mistake. This has the potential to drive a wedge between the progressives/activists and the party establishment in the very moment when they could have banded together. This risks wasting the momentum which these protesters are currently having instead of tapping into their energy and using it for Biden's campaign.


I don't think so. Democrats are side stepping the bumper sticker line and putting forth real ideas for reform. On the other side, you've got Trump deliberately playing the anti-protest, anti-reform talking head.
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Jun 9 2020 08:43am
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 9 2020 10:26am)
Unlike Republicans, Democrats are a real political party capable of governing and leading. They could've supported this minority populist position put forth by activists. Instead, they are moving in a sensible direction.


So now moving radically away from the center is a good thing....LOL
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Jun 9 2020 08:49am
Quote (IceMage @ Jun 9 2020 10:31am)
I don't think so. Democrats are side stepping the bumper sticker line and putting forth real ideas for reform. On the other side, you've got Trump deliberately playing the anti-protest, anti-reform talking head.


The Press Sec just said the other day that Trump is talking through some reform ideas. Just because he isn't out on the porch screaming about it does not mean he is against it.
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Jun 9 2020 11:11am
Quote (fuzzy159 @ Jun 9 2020 10:43am)
So now moving radically away from the center is a good thing....LOL


This just shows how out of touch you are with the American people. Biden's position is near the center, Trump's position appeals only to a small minority of voters.

That said, who knows how much this will affect the election. Just because Trump's position is unpopular doesn't mean this is the issue that will change people's votes.

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This just shows how out of touch you are with the American people. Biden's position is near the center, Trump's position appeals only to a small minority of voters.

That said, who knows how much this will affect the election. Just because Trump's position is unpopular doesn't mean this is the issue that will change people's votes.


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You are talking about how the left is changing....then you mention the 40 year political vet who has nothing to do with the left changing.....


Clearly I'm not talking about him................
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Yeah, I'm sure that these protesters will be thrilled by Biden's running mate being a crooked cop descendent of slave owners who personally incarcerated hundreds of black and brown men (who didnt necessarily have to be sent to prison), just because she happens to have the same skin color as them. THRILLED!! :rolleyes: :wallbash:
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Yeah, I'm sure that these protesters will be thrilled by Biden's running mate being a crooked cop descendent of slave owners who personally incarcerated hundreds of black and brown men (who didnt necessarily have to be sent to prison), just because she happens to have the same skin color as them. THRILLED!! :rolleyes: :wallbash:


Yea, well, she was bussed as a little girl. That little girl was her. She is that little girl.
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