YES

so you agree that prisoners should have to consent to these experiments? no consent = no experimentation ?

I personally do not agree that they should have to consent, but it would be a good logical step in the right direction to first only allow experimentation on the consenting. Then it would depend on if enough of them do consent.

It certainly can and it does, but I feel like the abuses we see in the current prison system would be dwarfed by the sort of things that would take place if it became acceptable to experiment with prisoners.

Why can't something purpose driven be cruel and unusual? I think maybe I misunderstood something

if there is no consent, theres nothing that separates forced medical experimentation from that of the Nazi's. the article you linked me says exactly the same. consent would have to be mandatory

But I don't think we need to obtain consent for punishment. For example, we don't ask death row inmates whether they consent to being executed. We just execute them.

cruel and unusual punishment ("experimentation" in this case) explicitly violates the 8th amendment. personally, Im against the death penalty and it has been argued before the Supreme Court that it is/was cruel and unusual in Furman vs Georgia



execution is only a legal form of punishment in 27/50 states and a lot of those states dont even execute people anymore, its withering away as a form of punishment

This post was edited by gnarjay on Jun 9 2023 01:14pm

Based just on this statement i can tell you prefer chocolate based ice creams to vanilla, big mistake.

I actually am an enjoyer of vanilla mainly but I do like that chocolate ice cream after a bit of dope