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Jun 9 2023 12:44pm
Quote (El1te @ Jun 9 2023 03:38pm)
Exactly - why have the death penalty when you could sentence them to experimentation instead?


The death penalty is usually meant to be a painless, quick death. Experimentation could be much worse than that.

I suppose that is more incentive not to rape or murder but it gets into some sketchy ethical territory pretty quickly
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Jun 9 2023 12:47pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Jun 9 2023 11:42am)
Justice system is a bit too corrupt and broken for that IMO

The concept makes sense though, I would rather rapists and murderers be used for that sort of thing than animals, I just can't see how it wouldn't turn into some sort of dystopian nightmare


I am glad you agree with me, dizzy.

I think that it should be something that can easily be done. We just need the political will (and the stomach) for it.
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Jun 9 2023 12:51pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Jun 9 2023 11:42am)
Justice system is a bit too corrupt and broken for that IMO

The concept makes sense though, I would rather rapists and murderers be used for that sort of thing than animals, I just can't see how it wouldn't turn into some sort of dystopian nightmare


I feel like the justice system can already abuse the punishments it currently doles out, which are already nasty enough with solitary confinement, forced labour, etc.

As long as a punishment is not cruel or unusual by common law, of which legitimate scientific experimentation is neither cruel nor unusual as it is directly purpose driven, it should be fair game
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Jun 9 2023 12:54pm
Quote (El1te @ Jun 9 2023 11:38am)
Exactly - why have the death penalty when you could sentence them to experimentation instead?


spoken like a tried and true Nazi. Josef Mengele would be so proud of you
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Jun 9 2023 12:56pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Jun 9 2023 11:54am)
spoken like a tried and true Nazi. Josef Mengele would be so proud of you


You know those experiments are painful, yet you have no problem using innocent animals for it. You are no better.
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Jun 9 2023 12:56pm
Quote (DizzyBusiness @ Jun 9 2023 01:02pm)
Partly what I've seen you write and partly my assumptions of what other views you are likely to hold based on the ones I've seen.

At the end of the day, there is a cultural war taking place and the finer details of someone's actual convictions don't mean much when they are on one side or another of the battlefield, as with any war really.


its honestly refreshing to hear someone admit this, too many people do it too often, few own up to it.
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Jun 9 2023 12:58pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Jun 9 2023 11:54am)
spoken like a tried and true Nazi. Josef Mengele would be so proud of you


Give this paper a read my friend: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2561859/

Gives a good outline of the topic at hand.

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The Nazi medical crimes of World War II encompass a totally different morality, and are not really comparable to the matter at hand. They have, however, so stirred emotions as to discredit the general concept of experimentation associated with capital punishment.


This paper also highlights the use of anesthesia. As long as anesthesia is issued during a particularly painful experiment, there is no cruelty.

This post was edited by El1te on Jun 9 2023 12:59pm
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Jun 9 2023 12:59pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Jun 9 2023 11:56am)
You know those experiments are painful, yet you have no problem using innocent animals for it. You are no better.


where did I say I have no problem with animal experimentation??? thats a huge assumption, Jessi
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Jun 9 2023 01:00pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jun 9 2023 11:56am)
its honestly refreshing to hear someone admit this, too many people do it too often, few own up to it.


Every single person of course does it, either consciously or subconsciously.
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Jun 9 2023 01:00pm
Quote (gnarjay @ Jun 9 2023 11:59am)
where did I say I have no problem with animal experimentation??? thats a huge assumption, Jessi


So you want to ban animal experimentation? I can get onboard with it.
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