Quote (ferdia @ Jun 15 2022 05:58pm)

Either:

(A) Ukraine is going to win the war, i.e. Kick Russia out (go back to where you came from, get off my planet etc).
or
(B) Russia is going to win the war, and demand terms of surrender

In order for (A) to occur, Ukraine would appear to need two things: (1) more men and (2) more (long range) weapons. As they are not getting more men, long range weapons will simply prolong the war rather then win the war. Does anyone disagree with this position ?
In order for (B) to occur, Russia would need to bring Ukraine to the negotiation table. It is suggested that this would be political suicide to Zelensky. I tend to agree with this. Therefore the war will continue.

So either way it looks like this will drag on to 2023 ? does that look to be whats going to happen either way ?

Quote (Skinned @ Jun 15 2022 11:02pm)

Third alternative: A ceasefire is negotiated where Russia retains Crimea and Donetsk which means another full blown war in Europe in about 5-8 years.

Quote (Norlander @ Jun 16 2022 09:00am)

Or 4th alternative. A provocation with killing 3 European leaders at once leading to nuclear scenario.

Quote (Norlander @ 16 Jun 2022 08:00)

Or 4th alternative. A provocation with killing 3 European leaders at once leading to nuclear scenario.

Quote (ferdia @ 16 Jun 2022 11:09)

lol no, that has no basis in reality.

Quote (Norlander @ Jun 16 2022 10:00am)

Or 4th alternative. A provocation with killing 3 European leaders at once leading to nuclear scenario.

Quote (HeLiCaL @ 16 Jun 2022 10:14)

French trash prefer to suicide the whole Ukraine by giving them weapons to go die with, instead of just killing themselves like the pieces of shit they are.