Quote (Skinned @ Jan 28 2022 02:34pm)

The the fuck don't children need vaccines?

Man fuck Jenny McCarthy for resenting her autistic child so much she has to start this shitty movement that has turned into this.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jan 28 2022 02:55pm)

For somebody with your specific values maybe.

People who value life more than faux liberty might have a different reasonable position.

What is reasonable changes depending on your assumptions.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 28 2022 08:23am)

Someone who values "life" more than what you derisively call "faux liberty" would in fact have to support China's approach to dealing with covid: making it virtually impossible to cross the border, lock down cities of millions over a single digit number of cases, pervasive surveillance, quell any dissent in the media or the internet and so on. Anything short of that, even the approaches of countries which have been successful so far( like South Korea, New Zealand or Singapore), would technically be "trading deaths for freedom".

What I'm trying to say is that this tradeoff between covid deaths and freedom is inevitable if you don't want to live in a dystopian police state in which civil liberties count for absolutely nothing. Mocking those who don't close their eyes to the existence of this tradeoff, or trying to morally discredit those who openly talk about it, is an immature and short-sighted stance on the issue. It turns into an outright farce now that we're talking about an immune escape variant for which vaccines provide only very limited and short-lived protection against infection and which is mild enough that we can let it rip without overwhelming the healthcare system.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ 28 Jan 2022 15:36)

Its immature to not acknowledge that some people have different values and that means they will come to different conclusions.

I get it. You're brainwashed into thinking far right politics is the only sane way and everybody else is just brainwashed Into extremism. Hopefully you grow out of it eventually.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Jan 29 2022 06:47am)

Paris hospitals chief sparks debate suggesting unvaccinated patients should pay for treatment.

I'd say that's a good question, we still treat them, little debt doesn't kill.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jan 28 2022 08:47am)

I didn't say it's "extremism" to favor mandates. It is an ill-informed stance since all the arguments in favor of such a mandate have meanwhile become obsolete.

Also, if you think that only far-right people could reject an encroaching nanny state which claims to know better what's good for the people than they themselves, then it is you who's been brainwashed into undifferentiated, extremist thinking.
Just for the record: polling in pretty much every Western country shows opposition to a vax mandate exceed the actual share of unvaccinated by a substantial margin, i.e. a decent chunk of the vaccinated oppose forcing it onto others.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jan 29 2022 10:12am)

I'm against vaccine mandates, but for Biden's policy.

Quote (SylvesterStallone @ Jan 29 2022 04:26am)

did you notice how lately if you're against vaccine mandates, you're being an "anti vaxer" disregarding the fact that you're vaccinated yourself?
you're being put in the same drawer like the guy who doesn't believe covid exists but it was made by bill gates with assistance of lucifer to bring prophecy from bible to truth

tribalism in covid is weirdest shit i've ever seen. it's black and white with no possibility of even suggesting a grey area in between.

Quote (SylvesterStallone @ 29 Jan 2022 10:06)

:lol:
thank you for your service doc
hilarious how desperately you're trying to apply tribalism into this covid situation. you will of fitting in while doing nothing is both astonishing and sad

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jan 29 2022 02:32am)

You guys have the weirdest victimhood fetishes. None of that is true. If the conversation were simply "I want people vaccinated but think a total mandate is too far" then there would be a lot of nuance. But that isn't the debate. We still have people claiming masks don't reduce spread, the vaccines don't prevent injury, and all kinds of bullshit ideas. Then you claim "They are against me because I'm anti mandate". No you idiot, we're against you because you're spreading easily falsifiable lies and getting people killed.