Quote (Djunior @ Jun 13 2022 08:37pm)

We (the West) don't understand that countries like NK don't give a damn. They don't care about their population, NK gets it's foreign currency by sending an army of slave workers abroad that have to send everything they earn to NK or their families are fucked. And like you said, they got their nukes. The sanctions didn't work.

Russia is very similar. Putin's regime isn't going to give up. They'll never give up Crimea and they don't care if the population suffers. They got 6K nukes, we can only watch and hope the sanctions will make the Russians bend the knee and pull out of Ukraine. It's futile.

Quote (dro94 @ Jun 13 2022 10:42pm)

We don't care if they don't care, we care about the results of the sanctions...and as I explained in detail it's far too early to make statements about the effectiveness of sanctions on Russia

Quote (dro94 @ Jun 13 2022 04:10pm)

Sanctions won't stop them directly, but it severely harms their war effort over the medium - long term when they can't import the technology to maintain and replace military equipment

We're not being hit just as hard. Russia's GDP will contract 10-15% this year, in the West we don't even know if we'll go into a recession, and if we do it'll be a small contraction. Inflation is mainly caused by money printer go brrrr when there was no demand, followed by a lack of supply when demand rebounded. The war in Ukraine and resulting sanctions on Russia are contributors that exacerbate existing macro problems, but they are not the cause

North Korea is a good example actually. Sanctions didn't stop them from developing nukes, but they severely impacted the DPRK's economy, which meant they couldn't invest as much into their nuclear program. They couldn't import key materials as easily and had to get creative in the black market. It took North Korea 11 years to test Hwasong-15, if there was a free market they'd have been able to do the tests a lot earlier. Hardly a silver bullet but arguably worth it...now imagine if their foreign currency reserves were frozen and they had no money to pay their military?

Quote (ofthevoid @ Jun 13 2022 08:56pm)

How much of their military equipment components are currently sourced from western sources that sanctions would impact? Maybe you have a source because I haven't seen decent analysis on something like this.

I agree that key high tech imports i.e. plane parts for Boeing or Airbus civilian aircraft and other similar things are going to be increasingly troublesome to source but IMO it won't largely impact their military hardware. Most of the stuff they are fielding now is and has been domestically produced there for decades.

Quote (dro94 @ Jun 13 2022 05:30pm)

Clearly, domestically produced doesn't mean domestically made components

From listening to the war on the rocks podcast, precision-guided munitions require imported components. There was a study from RUSI as well which highlighted that ammo for MLRS, precision-guided munitions, electronic components for radios, etc. This article summarises it nicely: https://breakingdefense.com/2022/05/russian-attempts-to-restock-its-military-may-be-doomed-to-failure/

Quote (excellence @ Jun 14 2022 12:01am)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russias-oil-revenue-soars-despite-181624231.html
Russia's oil revenue soars, covers cost of war: Study
Russia's Oil Revenue Soars Despite Sanctions, Study Finds

good job western powers. you truly showed russia there by nuking oil supply :wacko:

Quote (Djunior @ 13 Jun 2022 18:10)

Russian Ruble just hit a 4 year high

https://i.imgur.com/b0Hzz9N.jpg

Quote (excellence @ Jun 14 2022 12:27am)

the way to put a hostile force in a bind is to make their primary moneymaker as cheap as possible for consumers, limiting their cashflows and ability to finance their operations.

instead, the benevolent western leaders made this moneymaker as expensive as possible for consumers. which enriched the kremlin, and caused normal people across the globe to suffer. maybe that was the goal of the western leaders all along. certainly was the goal of their supporters.