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Jun 9 2023 12:02pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jun 9 2023 02:53pm)
I'm not sure what your conceptualization of my worldview is, given the strength of your disdain.


Partly what I've seen you write and partly my assumptions of what other views you are likely to hold based on the ones I've seen.

At the end of the day, there is a cultural war taking place and the finer details of someone's actual convictions don't mean much when they are on one side or another of the battlefield, as with any war really.
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Jun 9 2023 12:04pm
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Partly what I've seen you write and partly my assumptions of what other views you are likely to hold based on the ones I've seen.

At the end of the day, there is a cultural war taking place and the finer details of someone's actual convictions don't mean much when they are on one side or another of the battlefield, as with any war really.


And I'd be curious what of my writing you have so much ire for. I suppose I can see why disdain is so readily accessible to you if you view the world through the lens of "culture war".
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Jun 9 2023 12:19pm
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This isn't quibbling about semantics. What you specifically described is exactly what I meant when I said "extrapolate to human society".

We cannot learn anything about human society from the mouse utopia experiments and thinking we can is a really quick way to announce you don't know what you're talking about


This is akin to saying we cannot learn anything about human biology from mouse biology experiments

Yet, that is where most of our knowledge base comes from. We can absolutely correlate animal behaviours to human behaviours, although it is not perfect because mice aren't humans.
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Jun 9 2023 12:24pm
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This is akin to saying we cannot learn anything about human biology from mouse biology experiments

Yet, that is where most of our knowledge base comes from. We can absolutely correlate animal behaviours to human behaviours, although it is not perfect because mice aren't humans.


It isn't and it betrays your inability to comprehend basic sentences that you think it is
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Jun 9 2023 12:29pm
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It isn't and it betrays your inability to comprehend basic sentences that you think it is


We can certainly correlate behavioural experiments in animals to humans - humans are animals after all. However like I stated, it isn't perfect and shouldn't be used as an end all-be all of the study of human behaviour.

Personally, I'm against animal testing. I love animals alot and testing on and murdering poor mice and bunnies constantly is the main reason I had no interest in going into the biological field.

These tests should really be done with the condemned wicked
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Jun 9 2023 12:30pm
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And I'd be curious what of my writing you have so much ire for. I suppose I can see why disdain is so readily accessible to you if you view the world through the lens of "culture war".


I'm not really interested to go back and dig up specific quotes, but it is probably safe to assume that most of your political / religious opinions that you have expressed here, I fundamentally disagree with.

I would say it is a consequence of the internet being dehumanizing to an extent but people have been acting the same way throughout history so I think it is just the human condition to discriminate this way
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Jun 9 2023 12:36pm
Quote (El1te @ Jun 9 2023 11:29am)
We can certainly correlate behavioural experiments in animals to humans - humans are animals after all. However like I stated, it isn't perfect and shouldn't be used as an end all-be all of the study of human behaviour.

Personally, I'm against animal testing. I love animals alot and testing on and murdering poor mice and bunnies constantly is the main reason I had no interest in going into the biological field.

These tests should really be done with the condemned
wicked


This is how I feel too.

Why do we perform painful, cruel experiments on animals that haven't done anything to us? We should use convicted rapists and murderers instead.
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Jun 9 2023 12:38pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Jun 9 2023 11:36am)
This is how I feel too.

Why do we perform painful, cruel experiments on animals that haven't done anything to us? We should use convicted rapists and murderers instead.


Exactly - why have the death penalty when you could sentence them to experimentation instead?
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Exactly - why have the death penalty when you could sentence them to experimentation instead?


Yep.
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Jun 9 2023 12:42pm
Quote (JessiWan @ Jun 9 2023 03:36pm)
This is how I feel too.

Why do we perform painful, cruel experiments on animals that haven't done anything to us? We should use convicted rapists and murderers instead.


Justice system is a bit too corrupt and broken for that IMO

The concept makes sense though, I would rather rapists and murderers be used for that sort of thing than animals, I just can't see how it wouldn't turn into some sort of dystopian nightmare
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