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when you have nothing go pedant

of course everywhere Russians lost you say "it wasnt priority"
"near where they started" is also not correct.



You have 2 nations:
Ukrainians defending their lives, their families, their land, their western lifestyle.
and Russians who just want to loot some tv's, microwaves etc and rape women when they get a chance.
What do you think, which one is more likely to give up fighting first? I bet for Russia.
Russia has a luxury that it can stop the war anytime they want for a minimal cost. when the cost becomes too high they can do it and return to their pre 24feb positions.
Russians accept the "special operation" (war) when it goes well, but over time, when they hopefully get poorer and start seeing some of their friends/family dying at war, their support will lower and there is a risk that some Russians will suspect that their TV is not really telling them the truth.
Also sanctions effect increase over time.
Of course its possible that Ukrainians and Russians make a compromise deal, but it must include giving back territory by Russians because otherwise that would be just a case fire to buy Russians time to regroup and attack again. Ukrainians arent likely to give such a gift to their enemies.

what western lifestyle would that be, ukraine is a peasant country and was the poorest country in europe except moldova perhaps before the war

there is no western lifestyle there except the upper class in kiev

and your last point: the goal is now obviously to give ukraine a status that will give them guarantees for the future, but they wont get crimea, the donbass or the southern corridor between russia and crimea back

they just wont

aside from that i think that this russias last big move for long time, they dont have the strength to regroup for another expansion

Ukraine was at war since 2014 year, and a primary target of Putin's agents since like 20 years.
In such conditions you cant be rich as a country. The business doesnt like the war, doesnt like the instability and prefers other locations.
Yet the Ukrainians could for example come work UE for short terms, earn money, bring them back home. So their financial status was better than official country data.
Even at war, they were about as much rich as belarusians. And with a great potential to get richer once trade with EU intensifies and war goes away.

Remember that soldiers who attacked Ukraine on Feb24 often didnt know that they were even going to war? They thought they woke up and get into the car to go to exercises, and suddenly an officer says to them "hey guys, we are now leaving our country and entering Ukraine, this time not exercises but we fight for real. Dont worry though, 3 days and we are done with Ukraine and go back".
Now no Russians want to join Russian forces. Because nobody wants to get killed at war. Even the poor guys from remote Asia.
But when there will be a case fire, there could be a huge mobilization in Russia, and people would possibly enter army, and then just get sent to war when Russia attacks again. Just an example how case fire could benefit Russia. Also they could produce some more ammo during the case fire, since they slowly start to run out of it already.
Also they could finish transporting Ukrainian people, from occupied areas, into work camps inside Russia worst locations.

The Ukrainians dont want to give up to Russia demands. They have full right to defend their country. If somebody kidnaps your wife or mother when you were sleeping, would you accept a "case fire" with a kidnapper, or would you rather try to get your mother/wife back?
Obviously the latter. So Ukraine doesnt really want a case fire now.
Its their choice to make, not Paris/Berlin, who would like to help Russia at Ukraine cost.

This post was edited by Ironfister on Jun 10 2022 04:23pm

what you say plays into my argument tbh, thats why i am saying that russia cant mobilise another time or to be more precise: putin tries to avoid an even bigger effort to not lose support

ukraine is an ultra corrupt country and it got worse under selensky, dont tell me russia is responsible for their problems

its a very similar culture with oligarchs controlling everything

the internet is full of ukranian units making videos about how they refuse to be cannon fodder anymore, i wouldnt underestimate how low moral can be on both sides

the average russian does not want to be there and you will find plenty of eastern ukranian dudes especially who dont want to be there

i am all in for letting people do what they want even if means dying by the hundreds of thousands for empty promises and for territory they will never get back

go for it, the geopolitical strategy scumbags in washington are literally laughing, while i would rather save lives

not to mention that aside from america wanting to weaken russia the support for ukraine will not be unlimited

its called ceasefire btw and ukraine should look for one to at least regroup, they are getting pounded by russian artillery right now

Russia is putting forth an unsustainable effort now but it is impressive. This is a good post.

sure seem convenient
putin bans all lgb stuff
while
global homo WEF zelensky

Holy moly you exposed them all

exposed what?