Quote (Ironfister @ Jun 10 2022 09:25am)

Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 10 2022 05:33am)

The DPR and LPR did not "vote" either. The Donbas largely did not participate in the election at all, with either no election held there or boycotting it as a sham depending on the area. They were still in an active state of war.
There was no polling of Crimea because Crimea voted- democratically- to secede. After the minority party decided to stage a coup and overthrow the government, disenfranchising the majority. And that's the crucial difference of a democratic vote: One that actually represents the people beholden to it. The Crimeans had been disenfranchised by a coup that ended their democratic representation, but it was clearly the will of their self-determination to join Russia.

Western Ukraine didn't secede and try to form its own independent EU-aligned state and hold insular elections for self-governance and leave the Donbas to their own affairs. They tried to overthrow the lawfully elected government by the majority of Ukrainians and then violently suppress those being disenfranchised.

When you overthrow a government, everything that comes after it loses legitimacy

Quote (chopstickz777 @ 10 Jun 2022 17:27)

Half those tanks are scrap metal already, the rest will follow soon enough.

Those "mercedes" tanks, haha don't make me laugh, they are just food for Krasnopol rounds and hungry KA-52's

Quote (Ironfister @ Jun 10 2022 11:15am)

We will see about that. So far Ukrainians are doing good in the uneven war with their larger neighbour.
I hope western countries keep helping them and Putin will have to stop the war and give back the stolen cities.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ 10 Jun 2022 19:23)

Why would he give back anything when Ukraine is incapable of any kind of effective counter offensive to take it back.

All they can do is shell civilians from afar, and that accomplishes the opposite, which is to just piss off Russia more. It also makes the local population less desirous of being returned to Ukraine. These people would rather beg Russia to stay, because they know otherwise reprisals will take place.

Western countries can prolong the war, but they cannot win it for Ukraine.

I think both Zelensky and western leadership understand this, and are already preparing the public for a future deal with Russia, where Ukraine gives up territory and gives up NATO ambitions for good. Zelensky will take the blame for all of it and probably get thrown under the bus. Biden will of course take none of the blame even though it was his administration that pushed for the war in the first place.

Quote (chopstickz777 @ Jun 10 2022 08:23pm)

Why would he give back anything when Ukraine is incapable of any kind of effective counter offensive to take it back.

All they can do is shell civilians from afar, and that accomplishes the opposite, which is to just piss off Russia more. It also makes the local population less desirous of being returned to Ukraine. These people would rather beg Russia to stay, because they know otherwise reprisals will take place.

Western countries can prolong the war, but they cannot win it for Ukraine.

I think both Zelensky and western leadership understand this, and are already preparing the public for a future deal with Russia, where Ukraine gives up territory and gives up NATO ambitions for good. Zelensky will take the blame for all of it and probably get thrown under the bus. Biden will of course take none of the blame even though it was his administration that pushed for the war in the first place.

Quote (Ironfister @ 10 Jun 2022 21:00)

They were capable of liberating areas near Kyiv, near Kharkiv.
But even if war gets stale, Russian economy will suffer more and more over time, Russian troops will be dying there could be bigger pressure from Russian people to bring their troops home.
Also Russia will run out of ammo and equipment.

How can you lie so much, I dont understand, quit your job at Kremlin, you will get some other job, fair one, at McDonalds or smth. You dont have to be a bad guy who helps bad people enslave and harm innocent Ukrainians. Think about it please.

Quote (Ironfister @ Jun 10 2022 12:00pm)

They were capable of liberating areas near Kyiv, near Kharkiv.
But even if war gets stale, Russian economy will suffer more and more over time, Russian troops will be dying there could be bigger pressure from Russian people to bring their troops home.
Also Russia will run out of ammo and equipment.

How can you lie so much, I dont understand, quit your job at Kremlin, you will get some other job, fair one, at McDonalds or smth. You dont have to be a bad guy who helps bad people enslave and harm innocent Ukrainians. Think about it please.

Quote (Lvivz @ Jun 10 2022 06:24am)

You got em bro
They shouldnt of said that!
Rockefeller even had written on his grave about 500 corporations
that will have 1 million workers each and rest they will destroy!

The plot is up!