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Oct 5 2017 08:01pm
Quote (Ghot @ Oct 5 2017 07:56pm)
I've known they were a real problem, all along. That doesn't mean I don't think that the US could just wipe NK off the face of the Earth...gently or nastily.

And I still don't buy what ONE ex-Physicist with political dreams...says on the matter. Which is what I said ...before.




NK ....HAS to be dealt with. I hope it can be done...with little or no, collateral damage.

OBVIOUSLY, a political solution is no longer an option. It's been tried by EVERY president since the 1960's, and has failed.
Once NK has the TIME to get their newly created nukes and delivery systems, hidden and entrenched...it will just be messier.


IF, there IS no other solution than... force...I would hope it would be done sooner, rather than later, when it will be that much harder.
Just since NK started getting out of hand...it has already shown Iran that they too can get feisty, and everyone will just wring their hands, and say...Oh my...what's to be done.


you think nuclear proliferation is worth deaths of millions, and the sad thing is there's another option that would end it with zero deaths. feel free to figure out what that is, its not really complicated. but after reading your posts im betting you dont know what it is. mainly because its a basic piece of information in most of the credible info on north korea, which im betting you havent touched and are speaking out of your ass.

no informed person speaks as much about wiping NK off the map and military responses as much as you. its transparent.

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WOW! You've almost caught on. It took long enough.

Yes, they must be policed, and most probably it will need to be military. This is what I think will be the result.
Do I care one bit? Not at all. I will be dead in 10-5 years. I don't have to live with the things the US govt. decides, for very much longer. You DO however.


"i'll be dead why would it matter to me"

you truly are a shitty person.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 5 2017 08:02pm
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Oct 5 2017 08:06pm
Oh, so now you're a shrink too. Pardon me while I die laughing.
I'm still not buying your Malice BS.



There are many military ways to stop NK. Not just nukes.


Do YOU actually think, that there is a non-military (of some kind) option, left? I mean YOU personally...not what some Malice guy has filled your head with?



/e I see you edited. gonna play the "it doesn't matter to him if we start a nuclear war card, next. You're so clever, even if mistaken.

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Oct 5 2017 08:10pm
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Oh, so now you're a shrink too. Pardon me while I die laughing.
I'm still not buying your Malice BS.



There are many military ways to stop NK. Not just nukes.


Do YOU actually think, that there is a non-military (of some kind) option, left? I mean YOU personally...not what some Malice guy has filled your head with?


yes you fucking idiot. anyone informed on the North Korean situation understands we need to form an accord with South Korean, Russian, Japanese, US, and China then force Kim to accept a full pardon as well as his full staff. A new military prison that is basically a retirement home must be built to house them and their families forever. Then South Korean and Chinese money will flood into the situation and South Korea will overtake the country.

This is the basic diplomatic solution we've been working towards for some time.

as to the malice, you just keep stepping into that hole. i told you to read his book because its good, but i expected you to watch a youtube video. he's one of the few people who make content about north korea. i didn't form my perspective based solely on his work, its just what i figured you'd be bothered to actually see. i was just pointing you to information. i have read 3 books on the situation, listened to podcasts, lectures, and speeches on it from multiple sources not affiliated with Malice whatsoever. Which i told you. but you keep stepping into that malice trap like the idiot you are. shocker.

you wasted time discrediting him to serve your argument. it was pathetic then and its pathetic now.

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yes you fucking idiot. anyone informed on the North Korean situation understands we need to form an accord with South Korean, Russian, Japanese, US, and China then force Kim to accept a full pardon as well as his full staff. A new military prison that is basically a retirement home must be built to house them and their families forever. Then South Korean and Chinese money will flood into the situation and South Korea will overtake the country.

This is the basic diplomatic solution we've been working towards for some time.

as to the malice, you just keep stepping into that hole. i told you to read his book because its good, but i expected you to watch a youtube video. he's one of the few people who make content about north korea. i didn't form my perspective based solely on his work, its just what i figured you'd be bothered to actually see. i was just pointing you to information. i have read 3 books on the situation, listened to podcasts, lectures, and speeches on it from multiple sources not affiliated with Malice whatsoever. Which i told you. but you keep stepping into that malice trap like the idiot you are. shocker.




KID...I was born in 1956. The Korean war ended in 1953. I grew up with NK info. Three of my first cousins fought in the Korean war.
Don't even assume you are "educated" on this subject...till you get a few more miles under your belt.

And yeah.... I'm sure Kim will be happy to give up total rule over a country for your "easy prison". Are you on drugs? Seriously?


/e Oh, one other little tidbit you seemed to have missed in your education...

We've been trying to make deals with China and Russia, for ever. They agree, then they back out...Wake the fuck up !@!!!!

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Oct 5 2017 08:21pm
I don't know if this has been said before but i assume the reason nk keeps threatening etc is to buy time to get working nuclear arms that way the kim dynasty can stay in power and not get overthrown by america etc
The kim family are a bunch as dictator ass holes but there not crazy they know the track record for america overthrowing other dictatorships so i don't think nk will attack first they know it would be suicide if they did
i think its more likely for america to attack first etc i feel bad for south korea there kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place

also i was watching some nk escapes that went to china or south korea etc and asked about there army they said that they have many soldier but most of them are malnourished even if they did attack with there army i don't know
if they would be able to fight for long

In this case i think nk bark is louder then there bight so idk :/
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I don't know if this has been said before but i assume the reason nk keeps threatening etc is to buy time to get working nuclear arms that way the kim dynasty can stay in power and not get overthrown by america etc
The kim family are a bunch as dictator ass holes but there not crazy they know the track record for america overthrowing other dictatorships so i don't think nk will attack first they know it would be suicide if they did
i think its more likely for america to attack first etc i feel bad for south korea there kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place

also i was watching some nk escapes that went to china or south korea etc and asked about there army they said that they have many soldier but most of them are malnourished even if they did attack with there army i don't know
if they would be able to fight for long

In this case i think nk bark is louder then there bight so idk :/


Yes...it's been mentioned why NK is doing all this....now.
The US won't do anything that will endanger SK or Japan. But that does not mean we won't put a stop to this. Or at least seriously try to.

The problem is NOT NK...they are just a pawn. This is the same old US, China, Russia bs that has been going on for 70 years or so.



What with the internet and the ease of acquiring weapons grade fissile material...it seems that the old cold war is about to get somewhat warm.

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Oct 5 2017 08:30pm
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Yes...it's been mentioned why NK is doing all this....now.
The US won't do anything that will endanger SK or Japan. But that does not mean we won't put a stop to this. Or at least seriously try to.

The problem is NOT NK...they are just a pawn. This is the same old US, China, Russia bs that has been going on for 70 years or so.



What with the internet and the ease of acquiring weapons grade fissile material...it seems that the old cold war is about to get somewhat warm.


i agree on the china and russia thing nk copied russia after all even though nk is a pawn i don't think they see themselves as one more then likely they see china and russia as there pawn etc

this is kinda crazy i don't know how it will end but it should be ended sooner then later how do you think this will all end?
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Oct 5 2017 08:32pm
Quote (Ghot @ Oct 5 2017 08:15pm)
KID...I was born in 1956. The Korean war ended in 1953. I grew up with NK info. Three of my first cousins fought in the Korean war.
Don't even assume you are "educated" on this subject...till you get a few more miles under your belt.

And yeah.... I'm sure Kim will be happy to give up total rule over a country for your "easy prison". Are you on drugs? Seriously?


ahh yes the ol' "i been around the block kiddo" defense. wouldnt be a conversation with you without it.

no its likely to be the hardest negotiation ever, might take buyouts. perhaps even a smaller kingdom for him the size of a city. but hey wouldnt you lookie there, its to save perhaps a million lives and trillions of military spending and rebuilding 1-2 countries. but maybe we should just roll the dice and sacrifice people, or tweet about it.
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Oct 5 2017 08:38pm
Dunno. We already mad so many trade deals with China, that we have a way to hurt China. We already more or less dissolved the USSR into Russia.
The problem, as always, is making it possible for all the other countries to UNDERSTAND what's going on, and still pulling off some sort of treaty with Russia and China....that THOSE countries will stick with.


China is a very old culture. I think they actually believe, that they should....own the world. I think all this...from the Cold War on...has been nothing more than a very slow, very long game...with China vs. the rest of the world.


The US govt. already knows all this. The things we discuss here...mean nothing really. Trump may yell all he wants, but as I've said before...he doesn't run the govt.



Even if Hillary had won...we'd be at the same point...as we are today. Who is the US president, doesn't really matter to anyone "out in the world" other than comediennes and media.



/e

Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 5 2017 10:32pm)
ahh yes the ol' "i been around the block kiddo" defense. wouldnt be a conversation with you without it.

no its likely to be the hardest negotiation ever, might take buyouts. perhaps even a smaller kingdom for him the size of a city. but hey wouldnt you lookie there, its to save perhaps a million lives and trillions of military spending and rebuilding 1-2 countries. but maybe we should just roll the dice and sacrifice people, or tweet about it.


It's not NK...it's China. NK is just a pawn, that doesn't even realize it. China owns NK, lock stock and barrel.

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i agree on the china and russia thing nk copied russia after all even though nk is a pawn i don't think they see themselves as one more then likely they see china and russia as there pawn etc

this is kinda crazy i don't know how it will end but it should be ended sooner then later how do you think this will all end?


i think that eventually the west will convey the message that Kim's staff can turn him over and recieve pardons with lifetime imprisonment like some of the Nazi higher ups. happens all the time in regime takeovers, but just as often it doesnt happen and the people demand blood in the streets. the staff needs to be made to understand that they wont die and we have a chance. The kims are less crazy than most think based on the memes and team america world police, but he still might not back down even with a full pardon.

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It's not NK...it's China. NK is just a pawn, that doesn't even realize it. China owns NK, lock stock and barrel.


thats silly. they are a pawn but their entirely willing to be one. they have played russia, japan, and china against each other with false alliances for decades, its a basic play of their playbook. further territory isn't their goal, just holding what they have. reunification is propaganda to make people follow the kims.

maybe you need to read a book rather than forming your opinions on blathering trade deal conspiracies.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Oct 5 2017 08:43pm
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