I agree but it wouldn't be from your military which is my point. Germany is a country full of pacifists and have a history of rolling over for decades now.



I can't believe we're even having this conversation on something that isn't controversial at all. Maybe you're too young to remember 9/11 but some sort of military action was necessary and inevitable. You can't kill 3000 civilians without consequence. We can discuss specific strategies, including diplomatic ones, but military action HAD to be done.

If you can't tell the difference between the Taliban taking over in 2003 vs. 2022...then I can't really help you. 20 years is a really, really long time dude.

in general yes, but our submarines are still alright

911 hijackers....
"15 of them were citizens of Saudi Arabia, two were from the United Arab Emirates, one was from Lebanon, and one from Egypt."

Where was Osama Bin Laden hiding when killed?

Tim Osman was kicking back and watching some cherokee dass on VHS.

Look it up. I'm not kidding.

What's wrong with pacifism? Are we supposed to somehow feel proud that our taxpayer money is wasted on bloated defense budgets or wooing shit countries like Egypt to our "sphere" with billions in free cash?

I rather be like Germany or Canada 10/10 times.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jun 8 2022 08:42pm

If you're in a position where you can stop or mitigate some sort of violent action, it's unethical NOT to do something. Let's pretend that you were witnessing your daughter being raped and you had a gun. Would you just let rapist continue? Of course not.

It's one thing to criticize HOW we're trying to help but it's another thing to take a position where you just let the world burn. It seems to me that you don't want to have any of the responsibilities that come with being in a position of power. It's understandable. Some people just don't have it in them to think about the big picture and their impact on the world.

The world would be fine without us being the police overlord.

Germany has been doing what’s best for Germany. South Korea has been doing what’s best for South Korea. Japan has been doing what’s best for Japan. Switzerland, Norway, Singapore, Canada, list goes on. All matured into economic powerhouses in the last 50 years, all largely pacifist in nature. All have relatively better social domestic policies, safety nets, better infrastructure and so on.

Their populations benefit meanwhile ours has that same tax income diverted to foreign wars and policies that have almost no benefit to the average American and cost us trillions. It’s the ultimate cuck ideology. It’s the equivalent of funding your wives lavish lifestyle meanwhile she fucks her boyfriend something you Cali cucks are into. I rather have my kids, hell even my neighbors kids and Tyron’s kids benefit rather than that money go to make sure Israel or Egypt or fill in the blank stay in line.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jun 8 2022 09:37pm

That's flat out not true. Don't get me wrong, we break A LOT of shit but the world would be significantly worse without us. The economic gains that we get from being a stabilizing force FAR outweigh defense spending and foreign aid. Hell, most defense spending is just paying salaries of your average Joe. Think about what those people would be doing without the military...they'd be heroin addicts, gang members, etc. The military straightens out the deplorables in our society and turns them into upstanding citizens (for the most part). You really need to look 3-4 steps ahead and at the bigger picture.

What evidence do you have that a lack of defense spending would translate into your kids benefiting? You're probably not even a net tax payer once you take the fair market value of the public services that you use so I'm not sure why you're complaining.

Im shocked how delusional US Citizens are lol. Your government destabilizes the world since decades and all you do is pouring gasoline into the fire. What is this stupid example of "would you watch someone rape your daughter when you have a gun"? First of all its not your daughter, its like you travel 7000 miles to search for a random girl with a possibility to get raped, then you shoot 40 random people while searching her until you realise, there never was a girl in the first place.

This post was edited by vitti2801 on Jun 8 2022 11:54pm

The genocide in Bucza is just one of many acts of Russian cruelty in Ukraine. Rape, murder and deportation of children take place in the Russian-occupied areas.
This is what Ukrainians are fighting against.

the Ukrainians and their friends around the world must not succumb to the illusion of Russian victories in the battle for Severodonetsk. This is merely a desperate dictator's move, throwing the last offensive force he can gather to attack. There are no large reserves behind them. Even at a slow pace, the offensive will likely lose strength soon and Putin will not be able to take another one for a long time.