know im a bit late but happy 1k pages!

just because ahahahahaha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EsCiEb6Ixo

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm

The CDC's study into vaccine effectiveness released today showed that natural immunity by exposure to the delta variant had significantly better resistance to further covid infection than being vaccinated. People who were unvaccinated but naturally immune from delta exposure had better immune responses than people who were vaccinated but hadn't caught delta. Which of course, contradicts yet another premise of the national covid strategy, mandates and everything fauci says in public



The numbers were not close, and were significantly diverged. While unvaccinated, unexposed people were obviously the highest category by far, exposed, unvaccinated people were far lower than vaccinated, unexposed people, and there was little difference between vaccinated+exposed and unvaccinated+exposed.

Thats a huge gap. Wonder then if vaccine lowers immunity?
Like imagine looking at that graph and seeing that having vaccine has much lower protection then natural immunity

This post was edited by addone on Jan 19 2022 10:56pm

The fact that already-exposed people had almost identical trends, whether vaccinated or not, indicates that the vaccine wasn't lowering immunity once you have it. It does support the evidence that being vaccinated mitigated the chances of catching covid at all and this data doesn't represent severity, where we know the vaccine also improved outcomes. But what this data does show very clearly is that already-exposed people who develop natural immunity, even if they were never vaccinated, have better immune response than people who are just vaccinated. Significantly better.

Our national covid response strategy is currently based around the premise that natural immunity is completely disregarded and unvaccinated people should be treated as liabilities, whether they are immune or not, and to basically disregard the concept of natural immunity. Fauci has wobbled between downplaying natural immunity / ignoring it and at most saying he "doesn't have a firm answer on it" back in september. Well here's your firm answer using the CDC's own study, even though we already had results like this from Israeli data. And yet, the vaccine mandates at the federal and state levels and in private business all ignore the concept of natural immunity and require vaccines even for people who are already immune.

Further supporting, You cannot make money on the healthy individual. Institutional medicine is comparable to the industrial military complex that thrives on conflict and war. Cannot sell as many guns when everyone is hugging each other or In this instance cannot sell them vaccines if they naturally shrug off covid.

how come its only lefties that know all about that stuff? i turned it off bout 5 min mark

at about 3minutes the crazy left aligns with crazy right.
LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWLGTB0coec

Anyone with common sense could have predicted that natural immunity would be broader and more durable than the one artificially induced by a vaccine which specifically targets the spike protein.
It should be noted, however, that acquiring natural immunity as a vaccinated person is safer than doing it unvaxxed. Still, the concept of letting the young and healthy build up natural immunity is something I would have liked to be considered by public health officials as early as the summer of 2020.

Another caveat is that this study is only looking at Delta. It is (or should have been ) a no brainer that having been infected with a particular strain means that you won't reinfect with the same strain soon thereafter. The current situation is a little different though since the currently dominant variant exhibits significant immune escape. Data on Omicron is very clear that neither natural immunity from a previous infection with a pre-Omicron variant nor vaccination do all that much to prevent infection with Omicron.

It would be interesting to see a similar study, but with regard to the protection against severe disease rather than mere infection. We know that both exposure to previous variants and vaccinations lower the risk of severe disease or death from Omicron, but which of them is stronger in this regard?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jan 20 2022 03:37am