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Jul 13 2020 11:51am
Quote (Djunior @ Jul 13 2020 01:47pm)
Oh you now need a wild deflection because your stupid remarks got completely BUSTED. Once again you showed your lack of knowledge about the things you're talking about



And because you stubbornly refuse to look into this, let me inform you that those people in Srebrenicia were confined in places that were designated "safe havens". This made it nice and easy for the opposing forces to round 'm all up in one sweep after NATO did nothing to actually protect them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srebrenica_massacre

Are you actually denying that this happened?? Or is your vision clouded by far left radical indoctrination


You're really in a weird place right now. Are you blaming me or the Democratic party for the massacre at Srebrenica? They don't. There is a statue of Bill Clinton in Pristina. They have similar honors for George W. Bush.
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Jul 13 2020 11:52am
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You're really in a weird place right now. Are you blaming me or the Democratic party for the massacre at Srebrenica? They don't. There is a statue of Bill Clinton in Pristina. They have similar honors for George W. Bush.


it's your fault. you can't criticize Trump for not accepting blame when you dodge this which is clearly your fault and no one elses.
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Jul 13 2020 11:55am
Quote (excellence @ Jul 13 2020 07:14am)
it’s a legitimate question. where will these tax dollars specifically come from. and should for example first generation naturalized American citizens that immigrated here in 1980s or 1990s or even last year have their taxes used for reparations?

would reparations ‘paid by the government’ come out of a generic pot of tax dollars that comes from funds collected by the government all taxpayers, or will they tax people differently based on race/ethnicity etc.? not trolling serious question


It's a logistical nightmare and isn't going to happen. At best, it will come from the general fund.
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Jul 13 2020 12:13pm
Quote (thundercock @ Jul 13 2020 12:55pm)
It's a logistical nightmare and isn't going to happen. At best, it will come from the general fund.


It's a quagmire. when we look at reparations for native Americans you have to trace your ancestry in many cases to qualify. asking blacks to do the same thing is "racist", and in many cases that's legit. when you buy/sell people and split families its not exactly easy to trace your lineage on ancestry.com. so it will never happen. democrats know they dont even have enough cash to fix up the hood so they keep tossing them sheckles and pulling down statues to appease them, imagine footing the bill for actual reparations.
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Jul 13 2020 12:20pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 12 2020 07:23pm)
The bold is fundamentally an argument against inheritance, not an argument against my position specifically. Basically what you just said is that if your great grandpa has a ring that he leaves to his kid, who leaves it to his kid, etc. that the family loses the right to that ring after a few generations, that they lose the right to any possession after a few generations.


Not an argument against inheritance, I'm merely pointing out that this is more a legal issue than a moral one. The descendant did nothing to earn the wealth (or ring) that was passed down, but nonetheless they are the legally recognized owner. This says more about how we see ownership as competing claims between families for land, wealth, and resources.

In the present example, we're trying to navigate hundreds and thousands of years of history and assign moral culpability for wealth outcomes. The issue is that this isn't a moral issue so much as a legal one, and these situations aren't covered within our legal framework.
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Jul 13 2020 12:23pm
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Not an argument against inheritance, I'm merely pointing out that this is more a legal issue than a moral one. The descendant did nothing to earn the wealth (or ring) that was passed down, but nonetheless they are the legally recognized owner. This says more about how we see ownership as competing claims between families for land, wealth, and resources.

In the present example, we're trying to navigate hundreds and thousands of years of history and assign moral culpability for wealth outcomes. The issue is that this isn't a moral issue so much as a legal one, and these situations aren't covered within our legal framework.


Dad is a millionaire, dad dies when kid is 3.

Kid does nothing to deserve the wealth of his father.

I think if you said that to most people they would disagree on both a moral and legal ground.
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Jul 13 2020 12:27pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jul 13 2020 01:23pm)
Dad is a millionaire, dad dies when kid is 3.

Kid does nothing to deserve the wealth of his father.

I think if you said that to most people they would disagree on both a moral and legal ground.


no one "deserves" another person's money, not a child nor a society, except taxes. if u think u deserve more, tax more. anything after taxes goes where u want it to, not in a slush fund wrapped in red tape while your kind makes due with just one jetski.

im middle class, will prob be lucky to hit upper middle class, and ill die feeling this way.
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Jul 13 2020 12:33pm
Quote (Skinned @ Jul 13 2020 07:51pm)
You're really in a weird place right now. Are you blaming me or the Democratic party for the massacre at Srebrenica? They don't. There is a statue of Bill Clinton in Pristina. They have similar honors for George W. Bush.


You're the special one here really. In your view Clinton handled this very well while in reality he was too busy playing with female white house staff and the people in Srebrenicia got butchered.

But hey look! Trump is drinking water with two hands!

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Jul 13 2020 12:34pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 13 2020 01:27pm)
no one "deserves" another person's money, not a child nor a society, except taxes. if u think u deserve more, tax more. anything after taxes goes where u want it to, not in a slush fund wrapped in red tape while your kind makes due with just one jetski.

im middle class, will prob be lucky to hit upper middle class, and ill die feeling this way.


Okay, but that's a position that most people don't accept. Like I said, it's an argument fundamentally against inheritance. If you don't accept inheritance, then it follows that reparations shouldn't happen, but it also follows that the wealth generated across generations shouldn't happen.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 13 2020 01:24pm)
1. where did the silly idea that if you lose work or money or w/e it doesn't "count as canceling" because you "still can have a job". that's dumb, whether its a cancelled acting job, a cancelled appearance, or just lose fans. all of this is canceling, there's no threshold that requires utter loss of relevancy, life, and work prospects. "hey sexual assult victim, at least u didnt get raped". like wtf is that? and why do i hear it so often.

2. "its existed forever" is a garbage argument that i hear too often too, so has covid, opium deaths, rape, etc. when something goes haywire and a massive rate changes occur it's noteworthy, even if it's justified.

i think honestly some people are just so scared and have such a moral highground that they're just going to forever say "ok ok ok ok ok ok ok" when trans people want to rapidly change language. it's stupid. let's focus on protecting workplace rights, housing rights, etc. instead of having 4 hour circular arguments about the "male vagina and female penis". do what u want in your bedroom, wear what you want in public, shit/piss wherever u want. within reason. dont tell me that my views of being a man are invalid or transphobic, dont tell my wife that overcoming societies shame around her vagina and being proud of it as a woman makes her transphobic. if that's your viewpoint fuck off, plain and simple.


On principal, I don't see a problem with "cancel culture". Everything is not acceptable, and some things are bad enough to deserve societal retribution.

I do agree that there are specific cases where it has gone too far. That CEO who got fired for being part of a hate group at 17 that he made a conscious effort to leave and distance himself from because he recognized it was terrible being fired was really bad.

I don't really care about language much. Language changes, and it's incumbent on everybody to be able to figure it out. However, it's also incumbent on listeners to interpret things in a way that the speaker intended to and understand the core message. I think both of these are often lost.
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Jul 13 2020 12:35pm
Quote (Djunior @ Jul 13 2020 01:33pm)
You're the special one here really. In your view Clinton handled this very well while in reality he was too busy playing with female white house staff and the people in Srebrenicia got butchered.

But hey look! Trump is drinking water with two hands!

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isn't there logical inconsistency here tho when Trump (a staunch isolationist who has criticized america's world policing) would likely have no done anything either?
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