Quote (Skinned @ Sep 21 2017 07:32am)

It will help for sure.

Quote (Skinned @ Sep 21 2017 07:01am)

What was being said is that if you take this pill, all things constant, you will gain weight. If you change your lifestyle that will help but the changes in metabolism and energy levels are going to hold you back a lot. If you diet it wont be nearly as effective. Same with exercise, even though that is less possible with energy loss as well.

If we arent Duffman scientists and have a controlled experiment the results are obvious. If you can change nothing, add one pill, and gain 30 lbs in 3 months, the pill causes weight gain. This ruins the argument that BMI is only cal in vs cal out as the pills have no cal content. Its simple logic at this point. Meanwhile duff is denying the antecedent and using an internet forum post by an anonymous schizophrenic person as data.

Sometimes you just have to consider the source.

Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 21 2017 07:33am)

so did you know it would help and lying back then to spread doom/gloom or just ignorant ^_^ ?

Quote (Skinned @ Sep 21 2017 08:54am)

What are you even getting at?

Have you ever met a healthcare clinician who doesn't advocate for diet and exercise?

Its important to give people realistic expectations too. If I told them it doesn't cause weigh gain I would be a liar. It does, we know it does, because regardless of the arguments, people gain weight when they take it.

Quote (harumi @ Sep 21 2017 09:06am)

One of the main causes of obesity is ignorance, you and your ilk are literally enablers. Education is important and telling people half-truths to make them feel good is definitely way to go if you want to keep them ignorant.

Quote (Skinned @ Sep 21 2017 07:54am)

What are you even getting at?

Have you ever met a healthcare clinician who doesn't advocate for diet and exercise?

Its important to give people realistic expectations too. If I told them it doesn't cause weigh gain I would be a liar. It does, we know it does, because regardless of the arguments, people gain weight when they take it.

Quote (duffman316 @ 21 Sep 2017 15:58)

the message you send to people is that there's no point in trying to fight the weight gain as people will gain weight anyway

you're deplorable -_-

Quote (Skinned @ Sep 21 2017 10:25am)

I don't think you understand what I do.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Sep 21 2017 11:09am)

Btw excuse me to ask this but since a very long time now you are continuously doing topics about weigh & obesity, shaming or not, maybe you have a personal problem with it ? Are (or were) you, yourself, obese ?