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Sep 20 2017 04:04pm
Quote (Skinned @ Sep 20 2017 05:01pm)
You will grow boobs too sometimes.

If you starve yourself you will die. If you take risperdal or zyprexa you will gain weight.

People will ask if they will gain wait even if they diet and exercise more. The answer is yes, but we encourage people to exercise and eat healthy. But if they take antipsychotics they will gain weight.

Antidepressants and antipsychotics are very different. One of them a primary care doctor can manage, the other needs a specialist.

They will even make men grow boobs it's called gynomacastia. I think I spelled that right. They will make women lactate too, which is fun when you're trying to break a pregnancy delusion, which is a very common one. Other common delusions are "the game" and the Capgras delusion which is where your family are imposters.


Weird.

@bold: that's trippy mane

This post was edited by IceMage on Sep 20 2017 04:05pm
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Sep 20 2017 04:10pm
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Weird.

@bold: that's trippy mane


That one freaks us out the most tbh. Mix that, a manic episode, and an axe, and well, the story writes itself.

"The game" is a fun one too, where the person is in a game and the doctors are part of it etc. Usually involves implants sending thoughts into people's heads....elaborate internal reality to justify the existence of the voices....common in paranoid schizophrenia.

My case load is very trauma heavy right now. But trauma is a bridge to psychosis.

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Sep 20 2017 04:11pm
Quote (IceMage @ 20 Sep 2017 22:50)
... huh?

So if I don't eat at all and take antipsychotic medication, I'll simultaneously gain weight and starve to death?

I know some antidepressants cause people to gain weight, but it's not something that can't be overcome by adjusting your diet/exercise.


If you take it to extremes that's indeed not possible. It should be more seen like where the body prioritizes its energy intake to be used for. If storage is number one, and you don't have a lot of sugars storage in your muscles and you'd be only burning fats to get it towards a low level of activity.. I've been in that state before sporting, I didn't enjoy it very much ^^

/e im not sure if that's the case with this medicine though.. I'm just arguing physics.

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Sep 20 2017 04:20pm
Quote (Skinned @ Sep 20 2017 06:01pm)
You will grow boobs too sometimes.

If you starve yourself you will die. If you take risperdal or zyprexa you will gain weight.

People will ask if they will gain wait even if they diet and exercise more. The answer is yes, but we encourage people to exercise and eat healthy. But if they take antipsychotics they will gain weight.

Antidepressants and antipsychotics are very different. One of them a primary care doctor can manage, the other needs a specialist.

They will even make men grow boobs it's called gynomacastia. I think I spelled that right. They will make women lactate too, which is fun when you're trying to break a pregnancy delusion, which is a very common one. Other common delusions are "the game" and the Capgras delusion which is where your family are imposters.


I remember watching this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqBGzkz1oDU
I seem to recall in the man's case it was an injury that cut off emotions and vision and so seeing his family was just "wrong" in that it triggered no fuzzy feels we feel when we talk to people we know. So they felt like impostors to him, even though he could interact with his parents on the phone because he recognized their voices.

Brain injuries patients are fascinating but scary to look at ^_^

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Sep 20 2017 04:24pm
Quote (Skinned @ Sep 20 2017 05:01pm)
You will grow boobs too sometimes.

If you starve yourself you will die. If you take risperdal or zyprexa you will gain weight.

People will ask if they will gain wait even if they diet and exercise more. The answer is yes, but we encourage people to exercise and eat healthy. But if they take antipsychotics they will gain weight.

Antidepressants and antipsychotics are very different. One of them a primary care doctor can manage, the other needs a specialist.

They will even make men grow boobs it's called gynomacastia. I think I spelled that right. They will make women lactate too, which is fun when you're trying to break a pregnancy delusion, which is a very common one. Other common delusions are "the game" and the Capgras delusion which is where your family are imposters.


decided to google the first one thinking you had found some miracle drug that defies the laws of physics - which of course it turns out is not the case and further google searches indicate people have in fact lost weight on risperdal (people wouldn't lie on the internet right?)

people gain weight on risperdal due to symptoms that cause an increased appetite, decrease in exercise, slowing down metabolism etc. nothing that can't be prevented by tossing them into the gulags

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How Risperdal Causes Weight Gain
Below is a list of ways in which taking Risperdal may cause you to gain weight. Understand that everyone has a different reaction to the drug. Many people notice that their appetite increases and in some cases, they crave foods, but what they may not know is that their hormone levels, metabolism, and fat storage mechanisms may also be playing a pivotal role in weight gain.

Appetite increase: If you’ve been taking this drug and notice that your appetite is at an all-time-high, it is important to understand that this is a common side effect. You may feel as if you are starved and need to constantly keep eating to offset the feeling of hunger. Most people have a difficult time keeping their increased appetite under control and begin devouring food like a starving man at a buffet. Up to 44% of users report increased appetite on this medication.
Fatigue: Due to the fact that this drug acts as an antagonist for all major stimulatory neurotransmitters (especially dopamine), it tends to cause fatigue and other synonymous effects such as drowsiness, tiredness, sleepiness, and lethargy. If you feel more tired than usual, you’re going to have a tough time getting out of bed to exercise or engaging in as much physical activity as you were pre-Risperdal. This means less calories will be burned and your metabolism will slow.
Food cravings: While taking Risperdal, you may start to crave certain foods, especially unhealthy ones like candies and refined carbohydrates. These cravings can become difficult to resist and when coupled with your newly voracious appetite, you may find yourself impulse buying large quantities of “junk food.”
Fat storage: The way in which your body stores fat may become altered based on drug-induced hormone and glucose level fluctuations. As you take the drug, it interferes with natural homeostatic processes that work to break down fat and use it as energy. Instead, this drug slows the process and/or may initiate fat-storage processes throughout the body.
Hormone levels: Research shows that Risperdal alters levels of various neurohormones, including “leptin” which plays a role in appetite stimulation and regulation. When leptin levels increase, weight gain tends to occur because appetite is stimulated. Other hormones like testosterone typically become lowered as well, leading to weight gain in unwanted anatomical areas (e.g. breasts in men).
Mechanism of action: It is believed that this drug’s effect on the 5-HT2C receptor and H1 receptor are both capable of causing weight gain. The former tends to influence the amount of leptin (appetite regulating hormone) and the latter influences arousal. While these aren’t the only mechanisms that account for weight gain, they are considered influential.
Mood improves: An improvement in mood may not directly contribute to weight gain, but in some cases it does. Some people end up not eating adequate portions due to the fact that they are depressed from their illness. When they get symptoms under control, their mood brightens and this leads to a normalized eating schedule as well as portions; resulting in weight gain.
Motivation decline: Although the drug may be helping you manage various symptoms of your illness, some individuals may experience a decline in motivation during treatment. This may be related to the antagonistic effects of the medication on dopamine as well as histamine. If you feel less motivation while taking this drug, it will be tough to keep weight off.
Slow metabolism: It’s no secret that atypical antipsychotics can slow the metabolism, and Risperdal is no exception. This means that even if you are able to maintain the same level of physical activity, are eating the same portion sizes, and same foods as you were pre-treatment, you’re going to gain weight. This can be highly frustrating because no matter how strict you are with your personal care, you’ll probably still gain some poundage.
Social eating: Now that you’ve got symptoms under control from the medication and are feeling better, you may start to socialize more often. This could be with friends or colleagues at work, and before you know it, you end up making dinner plans. Pretty soon these dinner plans become weekly or in some cases, daily. Eating out with friends is a quick way to gain weight, mostly due to the abundant portions.
Taste improvement: For some people, food may start to taste better when taking Risperdal. Although it is restricting dopamine activity, many people are still able to experience pleasure when eating during treatment with this medication. If taste starts to improve, you’ll probably end up consuming more food.
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Sep 20 2017 04:27pm
Quote (Voyaging @ Sep 20 2017 03:20pm)
>crossfit

It's scientifically well established that obesity has an extremely significant genetic component. It's obvious your delusional hatred for fat people clouds your reasoning.



Wrong.

I love how widespread this pseudoscientific nonsense has become.

i take it this is what "real" scientific research looks like to you
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Sep 20 2017 04:30pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 20 2017 04:27pm)
i take it this is what "real" scientific research looks like to you
https://i.imgur.com/jnG9AYL.png


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Sep 20 2017 04:30pm
Quote (Helloween7 @ Sep 20 2017 05:20pm)
I remember watching this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqBGzkz1oDU
I seem to recall in the man's case it was an injury that cut off emotions and vision and so seeing his family was just "wrong" in that it triggered no fuzzy feels we feel when we talk to people we know. So they felt like impostors to him, even though he could interact with his parents on the phone because he recognized their voices.

Brain injuries patients are fascinating but scary to look at ^_^


You don't even need to bump your head. If you are treated badly enough by the people who are supposed to care for you, over time, you will develop antisocial personality disorder, who do not get warm and fuzzies either.

TBIs are tough to work with. The biggest effects are generally anger control and impulse control. Memory as well. The memory plays out in sad ways. When I was doing my undergrad I did my practicum at a geri psych facility. One guy with a TBI would bitch about being hungry until he got his food and would forgot to eat as he was eating it...not eat...then bitch about being hungry until the next meal. He was systematically unhappy.

It is very interesting with the voice thing you mentioned. All it takes is a bump on the head to change everything about you...humanity is so conditional.
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Sep 20 2017 04:32pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 20 2017 05:30pm)


I listen to that fuck occasionally and I was always confused by his weight loss ads... like dude, you're still fat.
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Sep 20 2017 04:33pm
Quote (duffman316 @ Sep 20 2017 05:24pm)
decided to google the first one thinking you had found some miracle drug that defies the laws of physics - which of course it turns out is not the case and further google searches indicate people have in fact lost weight on risperdal (people wouldn't lie on the internet right?)

people gain weight on risperdal due to symptoms that cause an increased appetite, decrease in exercise, slowing down metabolism etc. nothing that can't be prevented by tossing them into the gulags


I threw risperdal on there because it causes alot of weight gain in the vast majority of people.

Did you ignore zyprexa strategically?

https://www.drperlmutter.com/zyprexa-alters-metabolism/

Zyprexa is the main culprit. You probably googled it, seen the results, and did the phantom dodge thing where you address only half of what I say.


http://mentalhealthdaily.com/2015/01/31/zyprexa-and-weight-gain-how-it-causes-you-to-get-fat/


This is still not relevant to the vast majority of people.

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