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Sep 20 2017 04:47pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 20 2017 04:46pm)
'every person is bad' refutes the notion that there are no good cops? Interesting assertion.


I showed it's a terrible argument form.

Try pulling your head out of your rectum for a few minutes and examine your own arguments before making them. It will lead to you making less dumb arguments like what you just posted.
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Sep 20 2017 04:47pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 20 2017 05:43pm)
Im not seeing the connection or the direct rebuttal.


Namecalling without refutation. Its so shallow and invalidly black and white that you cant come up with any sort of argument against it?

Do you think considering someone bad for enforcing unjust 'cruel and wicked' laws is wrong? why?


Your syllogism is a little underdetermined.
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Sep 20 2017 04:50pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 20 2017 06:39pm)
laws never being perfect doesn't mean you are a good guy for oppressing people and enforcing unjust laws.


The system will never be as perfect as you are requiring. Surely you've heard of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle?

The goal is a system that is as good as is possible within this three dimensional reality. Many towns make it work with a privatized police, but those aren't perfect either.
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Sep 20 2017 04:51pm
A less general refutation


All cops take the pledge.

Not all cops take the pledge intending to uphold laws that are viewed as unjust.

Most of the laws they enforce on a day to day basis are just.

Therefore, not all cops are bad by virtue of taking the pledge to uphold all laws.

Q.E.D.


Quote (EndlessSky @ Sep 20 2017 04:50pm)
The system will never be as perfect as you are requiring. Surely you've heard of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle?

The goal is a system that is as good as is possible within this three dimensional reality. Many towns make it work with a privatized police, but those aren't perfect either.


God engineers are pathetic scientists.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Sep 20 2017 04:51pm
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Sep 20 2017 04:57pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 20 2017 06:47pm)
I showed it's a terrible argument form.

Try pulling your head out of your rectum for a few minutes and examine your own arguments before making them. It will lead to you making less dumb arguments like what you just posted.


You made a loosely similar connection and pretended it refuted the argument (SPOILER: it didnt) and followed it up with a childish insult.

You thinking its 'terrible' and it triggering you are not refutations either.
There is nothing inherently wrong with logically determining there are no good cops because they enforce unjust/cruel/wicked laws as he laid out.

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The system will never be as perfect as you are requiring. Surely you've heard of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle?


I am not requiring a perfect system. I am recognizing that the system is "manifestly unjust" and that the people directly violently enacting these unjust policies are not "good".

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The goal is a system that is as good as is possible within this three dimensional reality. Many towns make it work with a privatized police, but those aren't perfect either.

The system never being perfect, and what you determine the goal of the system to be do not absolve people of terrible actions and make them good.
Just doing their job is not an excuse.

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A less general refutation

All cops take the pledge.

Not all cops take the pledge intending to uphold laws that are viewed as unjust.

Most of the laws they enforce on a day to day basis are just.

Therefore, not all cops are bad by virtue of taking the pledge to uphold all laws.

A 'majority' of actions is not everyone's standard for good. Its a rather shitty one. Literal murderers would pass that 'test' :bonk:
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Sep 20 2017 05:02pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 20 2017 04:57pm)
A 'majority' of actions is not everyone's standard for good. Its a rather shitty one. Literal murderers would pass that 'test' :bonk:


And you ignored the part about not all cops take the pledge intending to uphold unjust laws.

Then again, willfully ignoring inconvenient parts of your opponent's argument is pretty much your go-to.
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Sep 20 2017 05:06pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 20 2017 06:51pm)
God engineers are pathetic scientists.


Chemists are pathetic in general :rofl:

Quote (cambovenzi @ Sep 20 2017 06:57pm)
You made a loosely similar connection and pretended it refuted the argument (SPOILER: it didnt) and followed it up with a childish insult.

You thinking its 'terrible' and it triggering you are not refutations either.
There is nothing inherently wrong with logically determining there are no good cops because they enforce unjust/cruel/wicked laws as he laid out.



I am not requiring a perfect system. I am recognizing that the system is "manifestly unjust" and that the people directly violently enacting these unjust policies are not "good".


The system never being perfect, and what you determine the goal of the system to be do not absolve people of terrible actions and make them good.
Just doing their job is not an excuse.


A 'majority' of actions is not everyone's standard for good. Its a rather shitty one. Literal murderers would pass that 'test' :bonk:


How do you not see how your system is worse? Cops that don't follow standards are apt to be less reliable.

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Sep 20 2017 05:08pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ Sep 20 2017 05:06pm)
Chemists are pathetic in general :rofl:


Considering I regularly embarrass you, maybe you should reassess your position on chemists.
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Sep 20 2017 05:17pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 20 2017 06:08pm)
Considering I regularly embarrass you, maybe you should reassess your position on chemists.


If Chemists were as lazy as physicists isotopes would never have been found.
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Sep 20 2017 05:22pm
Let's riot because the system worked. Some young thug nigger came at me like that you bet your ass I'd pull the trigger.
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