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1. Your pledges don't really matter. What matters if you carry them out (i.e. Nazis who helped Jews escape). Therefore, the fact that cops make pledges doesn't make them bad.
Yes and I recognize that is a valid opinion with some caveats. Your previous reply used the dishonesty of cops* and their lack of
intent to uphold unjust laws which I commented on.
I do think the meme could have more emphasis on doing worse things than pledging and contractually obligating yourself to do terrible things. But it does not necessarily follow that one cannot think that is a bad thing to do.
and I pointed out that cops who pledge one thing here and never do wrong are unicorns.
Even a nazi who helped jews escape or a cop who stops a murderer are not free from the guilt of bad things they have done.
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2. It treats "good and bad" as black and white, when everybody is at least somewhat bad.
Is there an inherent problem with this that makes what he said invalid? Can nothing be black and white?
"Murder isn't good"
-"ACKTCHUALLY"
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You can basically prove anybody is anything using this argument form. As Skinned pointed out which you ignored because it was inconvenient.
No, and he made some point about immortality that doesn't follow.
Recognizing that cops do bad things and aren't good doesn't mean you can prove anyone is anything.
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3. Laws being "just" or "unjust" is a personal opinion. In most people's opinion, the vast majority of what cops do every day isn't unjust, and cops can change their patterns of behavior over their careers.
People can have personal opinions about what is just or unjust. A majority viewing an unjust act as just doesn't make it so.
I already eviscerated your 'majority of what cops do' talking point in a previous post. doing good or neutral and bad police actions doesnt mean we have to classify you as a good cop.
Changing behavior doesn't remove bad acts either.
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4. You say some are "less bad", as though it is supposed to be meaningful when it applies to every situation, ever.
This is another weird inference you are declaring about what I said.
Some cops murder, some cops stand by and watch, some cops dont murder but do other bad things. This seems rather obvious, no?
rather than accept this you read into it something about me saying it meaningfully applies to every situation ever??
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5. If you are a proponent of personal responsibility, the argument that all cops are anything must be dismissed out of hand, since it's an absolutist argument that ignores the characteristics of any individual.
Your logic is incorrect here as well. individuals in groups can have the same traits or actions, especially when the label of the group is based on what they do.
Being an advocate of personal responsibility does not mean i have to deny reality.
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6. What it means to be a "good cop" and "bad cop" aren't the same as being a good person who is also a cop. You're missing an entire level of connotation.
That depends on what type of good you are talking about.
Someone who successfully does a cops job would be considered a "good cop" if doing the job is the standard. just like an assassin would be a "good assassin" if he successfully murders his target etc.
This isn't particularly relevant to my point.Yes a bootlicker might personally think a cop who legally commits atrocities is "good" but we don't.
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The point went totally over your head, as usual.
yet another smug false assertion. This is something you do a lot.
I chose to reply to his insipid dig that was based on what you falsely asserted with my own form of parody.
that doesnt mean i didnt understand.
This post was edited by cambovenzi on Sep 20 2017 07:45pm