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Jun 7 2017 10:28am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 7 Jun 2017 06:36)
Question, considering May win but only by very few points:

Will she still be able to pass laws (having a cost on middle & lower classes) to cutt off corporates taxes (in order to counter attack europe) ?


We have a parliament like you so any laws she wants to make have to pass through first the commons and then the Lords. Taxes are somewhat different but still often require acts of parliament. She will be able to institute pretty much any tax plan she wants to be honest though.

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Jun 8 2017 12:27am
100 seat tory majority please.

Then the corbyn loons can get back to their unicorn chasing and the rest of us can carry on as normal. :thumbsup:
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Jun 8 2017 02:23am
Corbyn's Labour all the way! :thumbsup:


Get out and VOTE!
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 6 2017 07:05pm)
you wonder why I expect an economic downturn under corbyn? well, corbyn proposes socialist policies. go look up their track record during the last 100 or so years... socialism always failed in the end, often times spectacularly. the most recent example is venezuela, a country with the largest natural oil reserves in the world. it could be a wealthy paradise. thanks to socialist mismanagement on all levels of government and society, venezuela is instead nearing bankruptcy, a hunger crisis and a civil war.


Corbyn's policies are actually pretty centrist and have more in common with germany and scandinavian countries. Pretty mainstream and hardly comparable to venezuela.

What Corbyn proposes is Still Capitalism but a more socially democratic movement, reigning in the financial and free market with some controls, since it's proven to be less than the altruistic operation so espoused by the neoliberal movement.

To say the bringing the tax rate up to LESS than what it was under the previous labour government (still among the lowest in the G7) and introducing a few MUCH NEEDED things like rent controls and properly funding the NHS is not just scaremongering, it's laughable and just
shows how far to the right the corporate media have shifted the debate in this country.

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Corbyn's policies are actually pretty centrist and have more in common with germany and scandinavian countries. Pretty mainstream and hardly comparable to venezuela.

What Corbyn proposes is Still Capitalism but a more socially democratic movement, reigning in the financial and free market with some controls, since it's proven to be less than the altruistic operation so espoused by the neoliberal movement.

To say the bringing the tax rate up to LESS than what it was under the previous labour government (still among the lowest in the G7) and introducing a few MUCH NEEDED things like rent controls and properly funding the NHS is not just scaremongering, it's laughable and just
shows how far to the right the corporate media have shifted the debate in this country.


Oh, I'm not against the social democrat aspects of corbyns agenda. for example, I'm in favour of providing sufficient funding to the NHS.

I'm just highly sceptical of a guy who considers fidel castro, a guy that turned his country into an unfree dictatorship, "a champion of social justice". or who considers the hamas his friends. or who allows rampant antisemitism to eat through his party under his chair. or who wants to spend dozens of billions to nationalize the kind of infrastructure that doesnt really need to be nationalized, like the railroads.

accordingly, I dont really expect good things for the brexit negotiations out of a guy whose stance on brexit is the epitome of wobbliness.

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Oh, I'm not against the social democrat aspects of corbyns agenda. for example, I'm in favour of providing sufficient funding to the NHS.

I'm just highly sceptical of a guy who considers fidel castro, a guy that turned his country into an unfree dictatorship, "a champion of social justice". or who considers the hamas his friends. or who allows rampant antisemitism to eat through his party under his chair. or who wants to spend dozens of billions to nationalize the kind of infrastructure that doesnt really need to be nationalized, like the railroads.

accordingly, I dont really expect good things for the brexit negotiations out of a guy whose stance on brexit is the epitome of wobbliness.


perhaps brexit is even off the table if he wins or would he go through with it? if yes, i must have missed that :p
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Jun 8 2017 04:27am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Jun 8 2017 08:53pm)
Oh, I'm not against the social democrat aspects of corbyns agenda. for example, I'm in favour of providing sufficient funding to the NHS.

I'm just highly sceptical of a guy who considers fidel castro, a guy that turned his country into an unfree dictatorship, "a champion of social justice". or who considers the hamas his friends. or who allows rampant antisemitism to eat through his party under his chair. or who wants to spend dozens of billions to nationalize the kind of infrastructure that doesnt really need to be nationalized, like the railroads.

accordingly, I dont really expect good things for the brexit negotiations out of a guy whose stance on brexit is the epitome of wobbliness.

Castro did not make cuba a dictatorship.
Fulgencio Batista was a much more brutal dictator than castro who overthrew him.
Castro threw the mafia and american investors out of cuba, this is the real crime that made them hate him, he was no worse of a dictator than the two that preceded him and he improved the lives of the vast majority of cubans as opposed to batista who made the rich richer and the poor much poorer.

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Quote (Plaguefear @ 8 Jun 2017 12:27)
Castro did not make cuba a dictatorship.
Fulgencio Batista was a much more brutal dictator than castro who overthrew him.
Castro threw the mafia and american investors out of cuba, this is the real crime that made them hate him, he was no worse of a dictator than the two that preceded him and he improved the lives of the vast majority of cubans as opposed to batista who made the rich richer and the poor much poorer.


so he was a slightly "better" socialist failure who kept millions of people in ridiculous poverty and oppression for decades
thats fine then :lol:
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Jun 8 2017 04:47am
Quote (ampoo @ Jun 8 2017 12:37pm)
so he was a slightly "better" socialist failure who kept millions of people in ridiculous poverty and oppression for decades
thats fine then :lol:


socialists are always good m8, always usa or the financial top shots to blame!
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Jun 8 2017 10:29am
Quote (Scaly @ 7 Jun 2017 17:28)
We have a parliament like you so any laws she wants to make have to pass through first the commons and then the Lords. Taxes are somewhat different but still often require acts of parliament. She will be able to institute pretty much any tax plan she wants to be honest though.


well too bad, because i think this is what may will try to do after the hard brexit.
and about elections; it seems that finally conservatives are still keeping a majority.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/08/general-election-2017-polls-latest-tracker-odds/
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