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Jun 6 2017 12:06pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 6 Jun 2017 16:04)
usually, but maybe not this time. corbyn/labour so far have been pretty effective at blaming the cuts to the police which were conducted during May's time as minister of the interior as a big contributing factor to this terror attack. "If May hadnt cut the police so hard, they would have had enough staff to keep an closer eye on those guys who pose a potential threat."


corbyn winning would be the worst thing ever. he would run GB into the ground within a couple of years. this would be a disaster not only for GB but also for the rest of europe. IMHO, the political leaders of most european countries are secretly working towards "United States of Europe" while trying to hide this very fact from their domestic voters, with which these 'USE' are highly unpopular. a successful brexit would be a huge and undeniable blow to this plan. therefore, continental european leaders have an interest in making brexit flop for GB, in making May fail.

if corbyn gets elected, they could blame all the economic downturn, all the increases in unemployment and debt which his policies inevitably bring, to brexit. essentially, the continental european socialists could blame the failure of the british socialist on those who voted against socialism (ie the leavers). and they would point out this failure of socialism as an example for the necessity of the socialist project of USE to their domestic voters. a total travesty, but I'm afraid it might work.


So what you're saying is that Corbyn's election would be a disaster for your isolationist, nationalist, capitalist ideology. I agree.

I see no reason why Corbyn's policies would create the economic downturn you describe however. Plenty of things that could cause trouble if implemented without care but the same can be said for any party's policies. Under the conservatives living standards have fallen drastically. I see no reason why they wouldn't continue to do so with brexit looming and May being abrasive and unrealistic enough in negotiations that Junkers described her as 'on another planet'. If she's that far off an amicable agreement then her promise of 'no deal' over what she considers a 'bad deal' becomes extremely worrying. No deal IS a bad deal.

So things under May are pretty much guaranteed to get worse. With Corbyn you have a leader who genuinely cares about people and whose radical policies reflect that. I think it's worth letting him try knowing that he will do whatever he can to ensure living standards are improved. I'm sure it'll be a bumpy ride but better a bumpy ride upwards than a slow, consistent slope downward.

I also think the eu will negotiate better with Corbyn than someone who has already alienated herself from them by being such a 'bloody difficult woman'.

This post was edited by Scaly on Jun 6 2017 12:09pm
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Jun 6 2017 01:05pm
you wonder why I expect an economic downturn under corbyn? well, corbyn proposes socialist policies. go look up their track record during the last 100 or so years... socialism always failed in the end, often times spectacularly. the most recent example is venezuela, a country with the largest natural oil reserves in the world. it could be a wealthy paradise. thanks to socialist mismanagement on all levels of government and society, venezuela is instead nearing bankruptcy, a hunger crisis and a civil war.
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Jun 6 2017 01:12pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 6 Jun 2017 20:05)
you wonder why I expect an economic downturn under corbyn? well, corbyn proposes socialist policies. go look up their track record during the last 100 or so years... socialism always failed in the end, often times spectacularly. the most recent example is venezuela, a country with the largest natural oil reserves in the world. it could be a wealthy paradise. thanks to socialist mismanagement on all levels of government and society, venezuela is instead nearing bankruptcy, a hunger crisis and a civil war.


Wake up, he's social democrat, not communist.
Some of his policies are a bit rude ok, and he would have to cancel a part.
Dont expect the delirious shit you said to happend.

Btw looking at your posts history you seems to be a desesperate case anyway...
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Jun 6 2017 02:35pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 6 Jun 2017 19:05)
you wonder why I expect an economic downturn under corbyn? well, corbyn proposes socialist policies. go look up their track record during the last 100 or so years... socialism always failed in the end, often times spectacularly. the most recent example is venezuela, a country with the largest natural oil reserves in the world. it could be a wealthy paradise. thanks to socialist mismanagement on all levels of government and society, venezuela is instead nearing bankruptcy, a hunger crisis and a civil war.


But Corbyn isn't proposing putting all means of production into the state. He's only talking about nationalising public services. In many cases ones that were nationalised and then slowly sold off over the years. So it's not the same at all. Plus we are far wealthier and have strong agriculture and industry exports.
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Jun 6 2017 09:21pm
Quote (Scaly @ 6 Jun 2017 21:35)
But Corbyn isn't proposing putting all means of production into the state. He's only talking about nationalising public services. In many cases ones that were nationalised and then slowly sold off over the years. So it's not the same at all. Plus we are far wealthier and have strong agriculture and industry exports.


Yay Corbyn !!.

I admittedly need to read more about the election being tomorrow, yet I'm generally for a more socialistic orientated candidate to hopefully also keep the wealth gap at bay created to capitalism :D
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Jun 6 2017 09:26pm
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What would GB look like if that were to happen?


back to 70s, around there. some view it as the most prosper time in britain, some said its shit. depend on ur social class really.
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Jun 6 2017 10:10pm
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back to 70s, around there. some view it as the most prosper time in britain, some said its shit. depend on ur social class really.


Truth. The 70s was a poor time to be a banker or a politician but a great time to be almost anyone else. All the turmoil of the strikes and so on make people blind to the fact that most families were vastly better off than they ever had been in terms of disposable income.
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Jun 6 2017 10:40pm
Quote (Scaly @ Jun 7 2017 12:10pm)
Truth. The 70s was a poor time to be a banker or a politician but a great time to be almost anyone else. All the turmoil of the strikes and so on make people blind to the fact that most families were vastly better off than they ever had been in terms of disposable income.


correct, thats why ppl in the west like politician such as bernie sanders and corbyn. politic aside, at least they r honest and have years of history to prove they r who they said they r.
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Jun 7 2017 12:36am
Question, considering May win but only by very few points:

Will she still be able to pass laws (having a cost on middle & lower classes) to cutt off corporates taxes (in order to counter attack europe) ?
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