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Jun 9 2017 01:47am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 9 Jun 2017 07:59)
her plan sure did backfire spectacularly. but when you look at the polling in this figure:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e5/Opinion_polling_UK_2020_election_short_axis.png
you can see that the tories are actually at about where they were before the sudden poll surge that prompted May to call the snap election. so the tories havent underperformed thaaaaat badly in terms of popular vote.
instead, its the sudden and unexpected comeback of labour which put them in a spot where they could be competitive for a lot of tory-held seats.

ofc, it is the nature of the british election system to be very unpredictable and to sometimes yield dramatic gains or losses of seats based on relatively marginal changes in the popular vote shares. elections in the UK are inherently more risky than in other countries.
furthermore, it was ofc a mistake of May to run such a dreadful campaign. nonetheless, despite its abysmal outcome, I actually still think that the logic behind her call for the snap election was solid.


well, i'm not quite sure what you're trying to tell me here - yes, it was a solid idea, a politically opportunistic move, to call for elections (again, despite previously claiming on multiple occasions that she wouldn't do that) - however, it was largely her fault that it did not work out.

the point about the unpredictability of british elections is well taken - but going from a narrow majority of 330 seats previously to UNDER 320 - while trying to extend your lead and strengthen your mandate is a complete and utter fail, there's no way around it...

i'm curious if she will draw personal consequences and resign or if she will try to hold on to her power and sit this out. anyway, the only people who can be at least SOMEWHAT happy about this result are brits who hope for some change in domestic politics, specifically healthcare.
for the EU this is rather bad news imo, a clear majority negotiating partner with a solid mandate would have been much better for the upcoming brexit talks. i think a hard brexit would have been the cleanest solution for everyone, if the brits so desperately long for insignificance, so be it.

now, depending on who they manage to form a government with, it might be under the condition of negotiating a soft brexit - and what seems almost certain at this point is that the talks will be delayed further. a very unsatisfying situation for almost everyone...
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Jun 9 2017 02:03am
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well, i'm not quite sure what you're trying to tell me here - yes, it was a solid idea, a politically opportunistic move, to call for elections (again, despite previously claiming on multiple occasions that she wouldn't do that) - however, it was largely her fault that it did not work out.

the point about the unpredictability of british elections is well taken - but going from a narrow majority of 330 seats previously to UNDER 320 - while trying to extend your lead and strengthen your mandate is a complete and utter fail, there's no way around it...

i'm curious if she will draw personal consequences and resign or if she will try to hold on to her power and sit this out. anyway, the only people who can be at least SOMEWHAT happy about this result are brits who hope for some change in domestic politics, specifically healthcare.
for the EU this is rather bad news imo, a clear majority negotiating partner with a solid mandate would have been much better for the upcoming brexit talks. i think a hard brexit would have been the cleanest solution for everyone, if the brits so desperately long for insignificance, so be it.

now, depending on who they manage to form a government with, it might be under the condition of negotiating a soft brexit - and what seems almost certain at this point is that the talks will be delayed further. a very unsatisfying situation for almost everyone...


There is only 1 option heinrich. The dup. That gives the Torys majority of 1, dup are anti-eu and all they'll need to be convinced is a bit of extra funding for a school or two.

Don't be getting a hard-on thinking you can keep stealing from us with a soft brexit you muppet.
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Jun 9 2017 02:50am
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There is only 1 option heinrich. The dup. That gives the Torys majority of 1, dup are anti-eu and all they'll need to be convinced is a bit of extra funding for a school or two.

Don't be getting a hard-on thinking you can keep stealing from us with a soft brexit you muppet.


read the whole post, nigel. i'm in FAVOUR of a hard brexit - it's the cleanest solution for everyone. also, no one was "stealing" from you, least of all germany. selfish and ungrateful brits always opted out when it came to responsibility and solidarity, all they were interested in was keeping their outdated rebate alive. good riddance...

i also read torys are negotiating with the dup - don't kid yourself about not having to make compromises (policy and obviously personnel). i guess northern ireland is the real winner of these elections then...
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Jun 9 2017 02:57am
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read the whole post, nigel. i'm in FAVOUR of a hard brexit - it's the cleanest solution for everyone. also, no one was "stealing" from you, least of all germany. selfish and ungrateful brits always opted out when it came to responsibility and solidarity, all they were interested in was keeping their outdated rebate alive. good riddance...

i also read torys are negotiating with the dup - don't kid yourself about not having to make compromises (policy and obviously personnel). i guess northern ireland is the real winner of these elections then...


We want 20 billion!

No, wait, 50 billion!

No wait! 100 billion!

We've seen this song and dance from bald headed nazi euros before heinrich smh.

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Jun 9 2017 02:59am
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We want 20 billion!

No, wait, 50 billion!

No wait! 100 billion!

We've seen this song and dance from bald headed nazi euros before heinrich smh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY


no wonder you're a proud brexiteer given how utterly uninformed you are, nigel...
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Jun 9 2017 03:05am
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i'm in FAVOUR of a hard brexit.


Quote (fender @ Jun 9 2017 08:59am)
no wonder you're a proud brexiteer


Not likely if it puts me in the same bracket as Heinrich von Goebbels :mellow:
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Jun 9 2017 03:17am
Quote (WNxIrvine @ Jun 9 2017 07:23am)
Don't think I can think of a worse result for everyone.

Torys ran the most arrogant campaign in British history, while Labour offered every carrot available, and still Torys got the most seats. While many will be cheering corbyn (maybe rightfully so!) there will be a few thinking if there was a different leader in, they could have smashed this farce of a tory campaign to pieces and maybe stole a majority.

All those ukipper votes up for grabs and Torys offer absolutely nothing to draw them in, so they get split all over the place. Add to that alienating their core with no promises on the triple lock pensions and the whole social care bollocks. What a fucking mess the Torys are in. No idea how they expected to get more seats without offering anything at all.

Only good news of the day is seeing that Nicola beast fake smile as she claims a massive 21 seat loss is a victory. :lol:


If there was a different leader they would have had a different manifesto that would have essentially offered nothing and won no votes.

They increased their vote share because of Corbyn and his manifesto, not in spite of him but still the sniping continues i see.

Despite not winning a majority it's a great victory for the left and was a historical election. Glad I bothered to stay up :hail:
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Jun 9 2017 04:02am
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Not likely if it puts me in the same bracket as Heinrich von Goebbels :mellow:


oh nigel... are you really so incredibly triggered that you have to copy exshillence's lazy nazi routine? i'm sorry... get well soon, mate.
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Jun 9 2017 04:10am
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oh nigel... are you really so incredibly triggered that you have to copy exshillence's lazy nazi routine? i'm sorry... get well soon, mate.


Call me nazi - heinrich 2017
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Jun 9 2017 07:33am
May will stay, the PUD associated with Conservative to make a majority.
Conservatives have a bit less power maybe...
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