Teenagers are too easy to manipulate into committing crime or believing certain world views

Seems like it's always men aged 18-26.

This post was edited by FroggyG on May 26 2017 02:42am

Not always, but most of the time.

In general it has always been young people joining street gangs, terrorist groups, crazy sects, etc.

It just gets worse with the current millennial generation, which has the highest rates of depression and have turned suicide into the second highest cause of death among people under 30. Kids are educated to think everyone is special and a winner, and when they reach the adult world and see they are just a number, many can't cope with it. Lots of people feel out of place nowadays, especially these 2nd/3rd generation muslims from countries that didn't have a proper integration program when their parents/grandparents moved... they feel like b-class citizens, and it's much easier for jihadists to feed on their depression and fuel the hate.

In some way, islamic extremism has taken over the role communism had a few decades ago; the only difference is that radical islam is much more dangerous. Kids who disliked society and wanted to be rebels back in the day would join antifa movements, many of which were violent, and support ruthless communist dictators. Today the Soviet Union is no more, the chinese drink Coke and eat Big Macs, Cuba is opening up and North Korea is a joke. It's not as appealing. However radical islam is the new enemy of our society. You get the depressed angsty kids who will believe anything that reinforces their hate for the society they live in and you tell them about the good side of Islam, about how the west is destroying the lives of millions of civilians in the Middle East, about how dangerous western capitalism is, about how the western society they live in hates them and is the reason they aren't going anywhere in life, etc... becoming jihadist gives them a sense to be, and makes them feel like heroes fighting against an evil society.

i mostly agree, but that still ignores the fact that its only a certain group has these problems, where are all the depressed asian migrants?
sorry, but they dont get to be the victims, when they are building mostly parallel societies wherever they go and refusing to assimilate
i just read an interesting book from a german journalist who visited over a dozend mosques to see whats going there and it shows how these people make themselves b-class citizens
the most shocking thing was the fact that many mosques were full to bursting with young people at midday and neither them nor their parents worried about skipping school
you cannot be anti-west, anti-education and then whine about "having no perspective"

i dont have the impression though that communism and socialism are not en vogue anymore, looking at how strong antifa movements still are and universities are leftist only zones, where socialist ideas are mainstream

I was mostly referring to countries like France and Belgium, where muslims ghettos have existed since decades. A government and society that promotes integration doesn't allow these ghettos of immigrants to form. It's obvious that a person born in Mollenbeck obviously is going to have it much harder than someone born in Uccle. The 2nd/rd generation muslims in Europe didn't chose to live in a ghetto. They find themselves being raised in a depressed neighbourhood where they constantly listen people saying that they are treated like scum and are given no chance, and then when they try to get a job and fail, they justify themselves saying "they were right, these guys are racist and aren't giving me a chance", while at the same time the people that give them job interviews think "oh he's from that neighbourhood, there are always problems there so I better not hire him". It goes both ways... it's like a spiral that goes down and down, making the problem worse due to the education on both sides.

Asian immigration represents a much smaller percentage of the population (harder to organize themselves), but most importantly, they are in a very different geopolitcal situation. Imagine China had no nukes... if NATO had spent decades bombing China, and allow India to occupy the southern part of the country like Israel has been allowed to occupy Palestine, the western world would be hated by the chinese. If we had a larger percentage of asian immigrants (enough to fill up neighbourhoods like muslims do), I'm pretty sure there'd be some sort of organized vengeance by a minority of them.

And about communism... I know there are antifa movements today, but they are different. They are mostly leftist/progressive politcally correct radicals, rather than communists. And whenever they are engaged in violence it's mostly them getting into fights with people of different ideologies, often during protests/demonstrations. True violent communist movements have died. Decades ago you had the RAF in Germany, the GRAPO and ETA (although they shifted to just basque separatism in the 90s) in Spain, the SLA in the US, the Shining Path and FARC in South America, AD in France, and the greek and portuguese had some too but I can't remember the name. Aside from some odd maniac here and there, communism can't really radicalize people to that extent today. Back then these cells could organize from dozens to hundreds of members, establish a hierarchy, carry out crimes effectively, trade supplies, provide training (military or scientific as in how to make bombs and such), smuggle/hide people, etc. Nowadays only jihadist groups can gather enough support to get the resources to create such organizations.

indeed, its a spiral where people are born into this
but that doesnt change the fact that at least their parents have caused that mess in the first place and their birth rates dont make it much better
there are some small successes where social workers can get young people away from the grasps of islam, get them into sports and most importantly into education
how this could work on a scale of hundreds of thousands? no idea, we dont have the ressources for that, you cant possibly hire that many people
of course, at least in germany, our education system is partly to blame for this, when they let migrant children graduate that have barely mastered the german language only to fail when they are looking for jobs
my own nephew attended school in a migrant controlled district and even native germans and others are getting into that spiral in these districts
i can tell you it wasnt easy to correct that damage

and so far we have ignored the fact that millions of solidly educated europeans have no future ^^
i dont need to lecture a spaniard on that i guess

you make a fair point with western intervention, but then again its a completely different culture and i expect that they would understand that the standard citizen takes no part in this geopolitical mess
somehow there is no group on this planet that is more easily triggered into violence of any kind than muslims and this does not only apply to terrorism

i can only speak for germany and while you are right that these high profile groups like the RAF are gone (a few guys are still around robbing money transporters to survive^^), their legacy lingers and there are many sympathisers up to high ranking officials
with the police background that i have i can say that one major factor to this development is simply the modern age, it has become impossible to operate how they did back in the day, they wouldnt last a week
but in contrast we let islamists do whatever they want in the name of tolerance, ignoring all the ways we have nowadays to shut them down
that is the main difference, the german state mobilised all its power to destroy the RAF

meanwhile ultraleftists seem to have gathered some serious media support, covering up their daily attacks on people
they can burn the car of a high ranking police officer in hamburg (who has ordered a zero tolerance policy against african drug dealers in his district) and it was pure luck the entire house didnt burn down with him, his wife and three children inside
the media outcry is close to zero and that certainly was different twenty to thirty years ago

the overall political climate is getting more rough and imo its only a matter of time until such groups rise again

iso muslim concentration camps

We need them reich now!

Well like you yourself say, the government isn't doing its side of the job. They are confusing tolerance (which I think is important and necessary) with an overdone political correctness naive idiocy. First they created neighbourhoods and housing areas with a really cheap rent so that they'd all move there and keep them away from the locals, forming ghettos. Then these ghettos become a cyst that doesn't interact with the rest of the world. And so there is no integration. You can accuse the immigrants of not wanting to be part of society, and I don't deny they also have their share of responsibility, but at the end of the day it's the governments that allowed this to happen. It's natural for someone who moves to a new country to search for areas where they have fellow countrymen (so immigrant crowded neighborhoods will always attract even more immigrants), and it's very hard for those newcomers to adjust to the new customs if they are surrounded by people who still live like they did in their country of origin. Governments shouldn't allow this to happen. They have to distribute the incoming population, limiting it when necessary, and require the immigrants to perform a series of things (learn the language, get a job, etc).

http://www.itv.com/news/granada/2017-05-27/hundreds-of-muslim-children-and-their-families-organise-peace-march-from-mosque-to-manchester-arena/