I guess we are in the postmodern age of ideology after all. I can't say anything but that in have a different interpretation of facts than you.

Here is a song about those differences though:



This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 8 2017 11:29am

You aren't assigned though, it wasn't determined by society any more than your hair color was assigned red or eye color blue.

On that, we'll have to disagree. I'll be sticking in my SJW corner where "sex assigned at birth" is the terminology used.

It's all just alternative facts.

That's a good song though!

Wouldn't that just conflate it with gender?



This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 8 2017 11:35am

No, and in models of sexual identity that I've used before there are 5 connected but independent sections, namely:

1. Sex assigned at birth (male, female or intersex).
2. Gender identity (internal, personal understanding of one's gender).
3. Gender expression (hair style, clothing, mannerisms, etc.).
4. Orientation (to whom you're attracted to).
5. Sexual behavior (who you do and don't have sex with if at all, and the type of sex you have if you do).

Welp, you're just being inconsistent then. If sex is assigned so are other descriptors like hair color.

How is that inconsistent? Hair color is a single, tangible and observable trait just like at-birth genitals, chromosomes, hormones and genes are. For those, I've said they objectively exist, just as much as your hair color objectively exists.

"Sex" isn't a single trait like hair color, and is instead an assignment made based off a collection of singular traits.

That is one way to describe the reality of the situation yes, but that looks more like philosophy than anything. It is a good description of sexual identity, but culture itself is a human directed activity, while nature itself is not. Sort of in the way that positive legal law is different than natural laws like thermodynamics. We do not control our biological sex. The other stuff is developed through a combination genetics and socialization. Who we are, including the personality, are traits that while enduring, can change, and after we are born, thrust into this world, we have to contend with our facticity, but we are free to be who we are as defined by our actions and how we exist in the world.

I'm not an essentialist, but the hills, wind, penis, and vagina are real and exist outside of science and studies, and anything we do to describe it is subjective. That is why songs are more useful rebuttals, because it is more about emotional resonance than logical thinking or truth seeking.

/e edit, cleaned up grammar

This post was edited by Skinned on Apr 8 2017 11:50am

When adoption enters the mix the problem becomes a lot trickier, c but you can't just allow a parent to not take care of their kid.



Sex is determined by a singular objective fact, the human's chromosomes. There is no room for interpretation.

This post was edited by Voyaging on Apr 8 2017 11:56am