Quote (fender @ 29 Mar 2017 15:04)
i know you aren't exactly insightful when it comes to politics but since you're posting in this thread i'll let you know that this is already happening - those aren't just pessimistic predictions. you're welcome.
of course it is legitimate to look out for your own interest, i'll let you in on another well kept political secret: EVERY nation does it - shocking, right? but there's a difference to the degree of which the uk does it and other nations do it. they have always been the black sheep in the european family, always wanting special treatment (british rebate ring a bell?) and instead of cooperating with other leading nations like germany and france, they rather undermined the collective effort to develop smaller and weaker nations (to strengthen the market to all of our benefit) with this selfish attitude.
that's why germany is flourishing, that's why our economy is booming - because everyone is just taking advantage of us, right? sure, there are many rather selfish nations in the eu who really don't even try to pretend to get the spirit and are in it JUST for the benefits, the UK isn't the only one (poland, greece, and hungary come to mind) - but if this preschooler logic of yours (whoever contributes the most is the one who is just taken advantage of, and whoever receives the most determines who is selfish) really applied, why are we still doing so well? oh right, because we also benefit massively from it economically, it's just not so easy to put a number on it because it doesn't appear in the official EU budget report.
don't get me wrong, i was and still am very critical of our "eastern expansion", our more recent additions to the union, but you clearly underestimate our economic motivations by naively focusing on the idealistic political idea (which still is commendable, generally speaking).
seriously, mate - i feel like even the simplest economic and political concepts completely elude to you, it's sad to see...
so is north korea...
i also thought that looked a bit out of place considering recent developments, but it's just what EU bureaucrats do - celebrate themselves and their ideals while being somewhat oblivious to political reality and public perception.
i don't think even the biggest EU fan (and although i'm sure you'd happily label me as such, i don't even consider myself one) would disagree that there are numerous and serious issues concerning the bloated bureaucratic monster that's steadily growing larger and its regulation insanity...
do they?
i have a different understanding of "flourishing" then, yeah we are selling big time and i am not against an open market AT ALL, but wages are stagnating and only a very few people profit from it
just one example would be greece
they are one of our main buyers of the armaments industry, but broke as fuck at the same time and are literally a black hole where european tax money vanishes
the companies make the profit while taxpayers have to rescue banks to pay for our own wares practically
thats not the picture of economical advantage i have in mind
meanwhile we have a goldman sacks strawman in charge of our currency (which is also not working) working against the interest of those who have saved money in the past
Quote (fender @ 29 Mar 2017 15:04)
i also thought that looked a bit out of place considering recent developments, but it's just what EU bureaucrats do - celebrate themselves and their ideals while being somewhat oblivious to political reality and public perception.
i don't think even the biggest EU fan (and although i'm sure you'd happily label me as such, i don't even consider myself one) would disagree that there are numerous and serious issues concerning the bloated bureaucratic monster that's steadily growing larger and its regulation insanity...
i was starting to believe that, but actually we are not even far away from each other ^^
unlike certain right wingers (that you happily label me as) i am in favour of the eu, but not as it is right now
its not only numerious and serious issues, what you said has become inherent for this entire organisation, which will not change under any circumstance
these useless bureaucrats will cling to their posts no matter what
as such i firmly believe it does not deserve support and its only right for the uk to leave
and thats the reason this has happened in the first place, the eu bring a monster is responsible for it, not the british people disliking it
the whole eu needs to be wrecked and then reestablished