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Jun 13 2016 07:24am
Quote (howtodisappearcompletely @ Jun 13 2016 07:21am)
I do wonder... if "how hard you work" matters, why do soccer players earn so much compared to marathon runners, triathletes and cyclists?


Because it's not about how hard you work, otherwise the smartest and most talented would get paid the least.
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Who on earth watches mens tennis? :huh:
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Because it's not about how hard you work, otherwise the smartest and most talented would get paid the least.


The question was mostly directed to people who disagree with me, but indeed, your answer pretty much concludes the matter.
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Jun 13 2016 07:51am
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In a way, yes. In any sports where stamina plays a role (which is the case in tennis), you'll push yourself harder if a game is shorter. In the end, however, it doesn't make a difference. Sports aren't about who works hardest; they're about who wins. A tennis player with superior technique will probably win quite some games where he/she worked significantly less than his/her opponent.

You can compare this to cycling, by the way. A 190 km mountains stage in the Tour de France is quite usual. The first 150-ish km are raced patiently without too many attacks, and most GC contenders wait until the last 1 or 2 cols to attack, while most non-climbers have a relatively calm day. A 100 km mountains stage is a nightmare for everyone; often there's attacks by prominent riders right from the start, and people who aren't good climbers typically struggle terribly to try and arrive within the time limit.



QFT.


and the best women can't beat the best men so why should inferior players be paid more?

men generate more revenue
they play more sets
they're better tennis players

in what world do female players deserve equal or better pay for generating less revenue, playing less sets and being worse at tennis then the men?

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Because it's not about how hard you work, otherwise the smartest and most talented would get paid the least.


the reason the word works come up is because of the rallying cry of "equal pay for equal work", the meaning of the word is an irrelevant point to dwell upon

This post was edited by duffman316 on Jun 13 2016 07:58am
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and the best women can't beat the best men so why should inferior players be paid more?

men generate more revenue
they play more sets
they're better tennis players

in what world do female players deserve equal or better pay for generating less revenue, playing less sets and being worse at tennis then the men?


Why does the ITF have to justify its price money allocation in the first place? Why do you feel the need to compare apples and oranges?
In certain countries (such as Belgium, where I live personally) women's tennis is actually more popular than men's tennis.

I seriously don't understand the fuss. People try to bring up all kinds of ridiculous reasons why women should be paid less. If the organizer (who mostly depends on sponsor money for this type of thing) decides to pay women more than men, it's their right to do so. Just like there are countless sports where men get paid more than women.
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Why does the ITF have to justify its price money allocation in the first place? Why do you feel the need to compare apples and oranges?
In certain countries (such as Belgium, where I live personally) women's tennis is actually more popular than men's tennis.

I seriously don't understand the fuss. People try to bring up all kinds of ridiculous reasons why women should be paid less. If the organizer (who mostly depends on sponsor money for this type of thing) decides to pay women more than men, it's their right to do so. Just like there are countless sports where men get paid more than women.


your own personal experience means nothing to the discussion

here are the relevant facts if you want to talk about popularity

Viewing figures for Wimbledon 2015 finals
UK (BBC)
Wimbledon men’s final (BBC) – 9.2m viewers
Wimbledon ladies’ final (BBC) – 4.3m viewers
http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/21/novak-djokovic-is-right-male-tennis-players-do-deserve-to-be-paid-more-than-female-stars-5765546/#ixzz4BT4nKYV2

the only ridiculousness in this thread are the feminists rejecting reality in favour of their own delusions about womens tennis
you can't provide a legitamite argument as to why the women should be paid as much or more than the men despite being inferior draws and inferior players so you go for the free market approach of letting the organizers plan the events however they want - but we all know you'd be stomping your feet and screaming for blood if the organizers decided blacks should be paid less than their white counter parts in this sport
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Jun 13 2016 08:31am
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I do wonder... if "how hard you work" matters, why do soccer players earn so much compared to marathon runners, triathletes and cyclists?


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Because it's not about how hard you work, otherwise the smartest and most talented would get paid the least.



It's about how many people want to pay how much to watch the events.
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tie a rock to yourself and jump off a bridge
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So what you're saying is women should have to work MORE to get the same pay, since they naturally aren't going to draw the same crowd and drawing this kind of equivalence is a bit sad...


3 sets vs 5 that guys play. is that not a thing?
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