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#31
Apr 14 2015 02:32am
Quote (balrog66 @ 14 Apr 2015 10:30)
This is where we disagree. Universities don't have to be profitable as long as money is spent well to achieve research and academic goals. They are at the service of the public.

Athletes over here can study and sport at the same time. Universities will provide them with lenient schedules whilst they train at their sports clubs.


Pretty much the same deal here.
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Apr 14 2015 05:08am
Quote (Scaly @ Apr 14 2015 12:17am)
Not rlly...

It's perfectly sustainable. Plenty of knuckle-draggers willing to throw a ball around for a free pass through college and uni.


No it isn't. There is a reason there is multiple massive class action lawsuits.

Quote (j0ltk0la @ Apr 14 2015 12:30am)
They're compensated fairly by getting educational opportunities, the wealth made possible by paying students who don't have the luxury of a free ride from sports.


It's not adequate compensation given how much wealth they generate, and it is very easily taken away from the if they get injured. No other occupation is so poorly paid and gets less guaranteed with as much wealth coming from it as U.S. college sports.
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Apr 14 2015 05:11am
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It's not adequate compensation given how much wealth they generate, and it is very easily taken away from the if they get injured. No other occupation is so poorly paid and gets less guaranteed with as much wealth coming from it as U.S. college sports.


The wealth you generate for someone does not dictate the terms of what you're paid.
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Apr 14 2015 05:34am
Aren't these "students" being paid with free educations?

I totally vote no for unionization. Universities are public institutions. You want to unionize? Go to Harvard, but good luck fielding a team that can earn a Bowl game.
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Apr 14 2015 05:41am
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The wealth you generate for someone does not dictate the terms of what you're paid.


Oh it absolutely does, especially when the service you provide is so in demand and so unable to be provided by anyone else.
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#36
Apr 14 2015 05:49am
...I would have no problem with reasonable allowances to cover rent , food and clothing since having even a part-time job is just about impossible due to time constraints ...but that's it...no unions and no pay to play contracts .
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Apr 14 2015 05:54am
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Oh it absolutely does, especially when the service you provide is so in demand and so unable to be provided by anyone else.


They are well compensated by getting educational opportunities pretty much paid for, you can look at the average costs of tuition to find out what they're making.
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Apr 14 2015 06:19am
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They are well compensated by getting educational opportunities pretty much paid for, you can look at the average costs of tuition to find out what they're making.


"Educational opportunities" are not proportional to the job they provide. There are many people in college football getting paid much more than in the NFL. Coaches, managers, scouting staff, auxiliary staff, etc. A few hundred thousand in educational opportunities pales in comparison to the billions that the industry generates. If they were doing unskilled labour that anyone could do, you can justify it. But you have a scenario where only a select few people can do their job well, and yet they are not paid at all. Ignoring the constitutional and legal arguments, which are fairly significant factors on the side of the NCAA players, simple economics tells us this situation is unsustainable. Ergo we can se why the NCAA is fighting massive and very well organized lawsuits currently. Lawsuits that are likely to win out.
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Apr 14 2015 06:36am
Quote (Caedus @ Apr 14 2015 06:19am)
"Educational opportunities" are not proportional to the job they provide. There are many people in college football getting paid much more than in the NFL. Coaches, managers, scouting staff, auxiliary staff, etc. A few hundred thousand in educational opportunities pales in comparison to the billions that the industry generates. If they were doing unskilled labour that anyone could do, you can justify it. But you have a scenario where only a select few people can do their job well, and yet they are not paid at all. Ignoring the constitutional and legal arguments, which are fairly significant factors on the side of the NCAA players, simple economics tells us this situation is unsustainable. Ergo we can se why the NCAA is fighting massive and very well organized lawsuits currently. Lawsuits that are likely to win out.


With the rising cost of tuition in most universities, I would say their wage outpaces inflation more-so than most professions do.

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Apr 14 2015 07:02am
Quote (j0ltk0la @ Apr 14 2015 07:36am)
With the rising cost of tuition in most universities, I would say their wage outpaces inflation more-so than most professions do.


Education inflation is about four times that of regular inflation.
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