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Apr 14 2015 07:14am
Quote (Caedus @ 14 Apr 2015 06:08)
No it isn't. There is a reason there is multiple massive class action lawsuits.



It's not adequate compensation given how much wealth they generate, and it is very easily taken away from the if they get injured. No other occupation is so poorly paid and gets less guaranteed with as much wealth coming from it as U.S. college sports.



They are in College...Playing a game, if they want to get an occupation they can quit college and try out for a pro team and then negotiate for a salary. Collegiate sports are not a occupation. I wish you would stop referring to them that way, it's misleading to the conversation. Sure they many generate income for the school, some teams much more than others, on the other hand if you look at the money a school pays for a winning team the price becomes ridiculous. Especially Colleges in whom the Alumni expect championships in more than one sport. Two or more head coachs with multi-million dollar contracts just as starters isn't cheap.
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They are in College...Playing a game, if they want to get an occupation they can quit college and try out for a pro team and then negotiate for a salary. Collegiate sports are not a occupation. I wish you would stop referring to them that way, it's misleading to the conversation. Sure they many generate income for the school, some teams much more than others, on the other hand if you look at the money a school pays for a winning team the price becomes ridiculous. Especially Colleges in whom the Alumni expect championships in more than one sport. Two or more head coachs with multi-million dollar contracts just as starters isn't cheap.


No they can't quit college and try out for a pro team. The sports dominated by college athletes (basketball and football) have agreements with the pro leagues that forces young North American athletes to play for them if they wish to make the NFL or NBA. So even if players wanted to turn pro right away, they can't. They have to play college then be drafted.

Collegiate sports are absolutely an occupation. It is a job they are actively recruited for, where they have obligations, perks, and what we can consider to be contracts. They provide a service, which is entertainment, to millions of people in which those in charge of said persons working on he field are profiting from. In what way are they not jobs.

Schools may pay a lot for winning teams but they reap the rewards. The TV contacts for collegiate sports is massive, ticket revenue, jerseys, concessions and more also plays a part. Universities with major collegiate sports programs in basketball and football mark massive profits on employees whom they do not pay.

Quote (j0ltk0la @ Apr 14 2015 08:36am)
With the rising cost of tuition in most universities, I would say their wage outpaces inflation more-so than most professions do.


It's fallacious to consider non-guaranteed tuition a wage. It is not.

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Apr 15 2015 12:23am
Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ Apr 14 2015 08:14am)
They are in College...Playing a game, if they want to get an occupation they can quit college and try out for a pro team and then negotiate for a salary. Collegiate sports are not a occupation. I wish you would stop referring to them that way, it's misleading to the conversation. Sure they many generate income for the school, some teams much more than others, on the other hand if you look at the money a school pays for a winning team the price becomes ridiculous. Especially Colleges in whom the Alumni expect championships in more than one sport. Two or more head coachs with multi-million dollar contracts just as starters isn't cheap.


NFL wont draft any1 that doesnt finish Jr year or would have if they stayed in school

Nba wont draft you untill Soph year

so you cant "quit" and join a pro team

Shouldn't coaches be teachers then coaches since is Student ---> athlete should it be Professor---> coach?

lets get real NCAA doesn't have to pay the students they need to remove the archaic language that disallows students from making money from their names JUST because they play a sport
The reason they don't allow them to is because they already sell it in their Jersey shops etc if you search by a players name back 2 years ago you got their number/college the NCAA removed that the second someone mentions student Athlete and how they said they don't make money off the athletes but the sport itself.


NCAA was formed for the protection of players Injury/Academia there is a reason the NCAA requires a certain GPA etc for a student to play, but the second some1 brings up injury and lack of payment for needed issues that arose from playing that sport they turn their head and say its the UNI/College. they need to go after not them, then the GPa issue they fail to monitor Academics and Students that play their ass off and try to keep injury free to stay in school and attempt to get an education get cheated. Sure there is plenty who just wanna slide by until they can leave and go for the draft, but there is also many more whom will not get drafted and its their only shot at getting an education. In all honesty they cant be Student --> athletes when they spend more time each week in the gym/film/practice field then they do in the classroom. In the off season they have "optional" camps and such which aren't optional and are in a grey area for the NCAA they dont want to adress
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Apr 15 2015 12:58am
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This is where we disagree. Universities don't have to be profitable as long as money is spent well to achieve research and academic goals. They are at the service of the public.

Athletes over here can study and sport at the same time. Universities will provide them with lenient schedules whilst they train at their sports clubs.


Well, if certain areas aren't profitable, how are the professors going to get paid? What about staff and maintenance? You either have to raise tuition or raise taxes. The whiny little shits here complain about a $500 increase in tuition...how well do you think it will go over when it increases by $5000?
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As far as paying athletes goes sure the Nebraska, Alabama, UCLA, Kentucky type schools make money from their sports but schools who have joined the ncaa. yet haven't had a winning season yet, if ever, they would think long and hard about staying in the ncaa unless you propose all divisions? The complexity of paying the athletes and the affordability would result in a much smaller bracket of teams, and a much tighter concentration of talent. College sports would go the way of pro sports with just a couple of "dynasty" teams and pretty boring seasons for the fans..

At this point March Madness still affords a slim chance for a less known school to slip into the final four, and if you follow CBB you have to admit that even if they aren't your team the Cinderella story always perks the attention a little. Now with some weird system of play-offs in CFB there is a better chance for that team that has had a great season that's a virtual unknown on the national level, with no top tier players, just a great team of players.. salary's would kill that. The rich schools will be in the play-offs year in year out. it will be boring as hell, and the revenue will eventually dry up..

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Apr 15 2015 05:35am
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Well, if certain areas aren't profitable, how are the professors going to get paid? What about staff and maintenance? You either have to raise tuition or raise taxes. The whiny little shits here complain about a $500 increase in tuition...how well do you think it will go over when it increases by $5000?


Yep.

I also assume ridding universities of profiteering for shareholders will save quite a few bucks in the long run.
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Apr 15 2015 06:44am
Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ Apr 15 2015 07:28am)
As far as paying athletes goes sure the Nebraska, Alabama, UCLA, Kentucky type schools make money from their sports but schools who have joined the ncaa. yet haven't had a winning season yet, if ever, they would think long and hard about staying in the ncaa unless you propose all divisions? The complexity of paying the athletes and the affordability would result in a much smaller bracket of teams, and a much tighter concentration of talent. College sports would go the way of pro sports with just a couple of "dynasty" teams and pretty boring seasons for the fans..

At this point March Madness still affords a slim chance for a less known school to slip into the final four, and if you follow CBB you have to admit that even if they aren't your team the Cinderella story always perks the attention a little. Now with some weird system of play-offs in CFB there is a better chance for that team that has had a great season that's a virtual unknown on the national level, with no top tier players, just a great team of players.. salary's would kill that. The rich schools will be in the play-offs year in year out. it will be boring as hell, and the revenue will eventually dry up..


You dont understand how NCAA financials work. Bad or good team, they all sell out, they all sell lots of jerseys and they all benefit from the massive television contracts. Almost every single team is profitable, and many are extremely profitable.
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Apr 15 2015 07:19am
Probably not I don't think 98% or w/e of the people in these sports should be taking it that seriously as to consider it a paying job.
Because 98% or w/e will be done with it and never go back to it after schools over.

Your point about the schools making money is a good one and ye sports has become big money but that's mostly because the skools aren't producing anything else.
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