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Feb 15 2015 02:26pm
Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ Feb 15 2015 03:09pm)
Just what is so terrifying? suggesting we search for alternatives to coal to produce electricity? why is that so scary countries in Europe have been slowly switching for some time now.

pushing for cleaner emissions on cars? we've been slowly pushing the automakers forward on that all along.

help through tax incentives people who strive to make their home energy efficient, use solar power, wind power, even geo thermal heat, there are many options that I can run down that shouldn't be scary . do we need to clamp down on those that abuse out resources yes, it's time to get tough. But it doesn't have to be scary


There is a difference between suggestion vs violence, redistribution of wealth to favored corporations, banning things/blocking desired innovation, and devastating regulations that decrease our quality of life and wealth all in the name of "combating climate change" whether they have significant effects or not. It gives them an excuse to become an even bigger imposition on businesses in America.

Meanwhile they staunchly oppose actual alternative energy sources that are viable like fracking and nuclear.
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Feb 15 2015 03:09pm
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There is a difference between suggestion vs violence, redistribution of wealth to favored corporations, banning things/blocking desired innovation, and devastating regulations that decrease our quality of life and wealth all in the name of "combating climate change" whether they have significant effects or not. It gives them an excuse to become an even bigger imposition on businesses in America.

Meanwhile they staunchly oppose actual alternative energy sources that are viable like fracking and nuclear.



how can you say fracking is a viable alternative? It's bad enough that we are enabling the water on the surface to evaporate but now it's viable to exploit the earth once again by pumping dangerous chemicals down into the water bearing strata that we depend on? If we poison this water that's underground there won't be any other water. It takes between 1-8 million gallons of water for one fracc site that's areound 400 semi-tractor tanker loads of water it takes sand and 600 gallons of chemicals as well some of them poisons, and some of then known carcinogens all of that if forced under pressure deep underground to break up the shale rock. When they're done the water and poison stays in the hole.

the rest of your excuse reads like a melodrama nobody suggested violence, or devastating regulations. But something has to be done, and companies in the private sector will not police themselves in this manner because they can't see a direct affect on their business. So for the good of mankind. the greater good if you will. they will have to police the corporations much as they do now with the EPA and the clean air Act.
It's time to take an action and if that means putting some limits on capitalists ability to gather as much wealth as possible , well sorry. There are also people who are dying because of the changing climate. a decrease in a businessman's profit seems to pale when you think of the potential extinction of nations of populations .

I'm certainly not against nuclear power we could use some European examples there again. there are safe clean choices we need to start on now so that we don't have to make a hurry up decision later. Now is the time to work the kinks out of some systems as we steadily grow less dependent on fossil fuels.
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Feb 15 2015 03:17pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Feb 15 2015 03:26pm)
There is a difference between suggestion vs violence, redistribution of wealth to favored corporations, banning things/blocking desired innovation, and devastating regulations that decrease our quality of life and wealth all in the name of "combating climate change" whether they have significant effects or not. It gives them an excuse to become an even bigger imposition on businesses in America.

Meanwhile they staunchly oppose actual alternative energy sources that are viable like fracking and nuclear.


something something flammable water
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Feb 15 2015 03:33pm
I think it's hilarious how overblown climate change is. The people who think it's a huge threat are still driving cars, eating meat, etc. The only one who puts his money where his mouth is is inkanddagger.
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Feb 15 2015 03:37pm
Quote (thundercock @ Feb 15 2015 04:33pm)
I think it's hilarious how overblown climate change is. The people who think it's a huge threat are still driving cars, eating meat, etc. The only one who puts his money where his mouth is is inkanddagger.


... liberals believe that their tears absorb CO2 and turn it into oxygen .
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Feb 15 2015 03:44pm
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I think it's hilarious how overblown climate change is. The people who think it's a huge threat are still driving cars, eating meat, etc. The only one who puts his money where his mouth is is inkanddagger.


Yeah, nobody carpools or rides a bicycle to work.
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Feb 15 2015 03:48pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Feb 15 2015 03:26pm)
There is a difference between suggestion vs violence, redistribution of wealth to favored corporations, banning things/blocking desired innovation, and devastating regulations that decrease our quality of life and wealth all in the name of "combating climate change" whether they have significant effects or not. It gives them an excuse to become an even bigger imposition on businesses in America.

Meanwhile they staunchly oppose actual alternative energy sources that are viable like fracking and nuclear.


People are as free to destroy the planet as we are free to coerce them.

Freedom means not playing nice, not everybody singing Kumbuyah while somebody destroys your source of life.

Now in life we are all free regardless of what the law says, because we choose to follow laws. If we choose to respect the construct known as rights then we choose to...but in no way is any right inalienable or absolute...such a notion is a joke, a tale told by a fool, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

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Yeah, nobody carpools or rides a bicycle to work.


Learn to biology. Bicycling=increased heart rate=more CO2 emissions. If you TRULY cared about the environment, you would drive a Tesla.
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Feb 15 2015 03:50pm
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Learn to biology. Bicycling=increased heart rate=more CO2 emissions. If you TRULY cared about the environment, you would drive a Tesla.


If we really cared about the environment we wouldn't be such careless defectors like dogs. We would be more like cats, clean and organized. We are gross animals.

/e just crossed 30k posts

We will either clean up now or clean up when we run out of oil. We know we're passed the peak, and really questionable methods are being used (Arctic drilling, fracking, oil tar sands) to get the last drops....all oil producers are vastly overstating their reserves....and people still want to double down on oil.

Yes, it is awesome, we aren't going to get btu's like that anywhere else, and we're running out.

If people really cared they wouldn't be buying a Tesla that is as bad on the environment as any other mass produced and shipped piece of machinery, they would be riding some sort of solar powered mass transit. At least the public bus or train.

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Feb 15 2015 04:04pm
Quote (Valhalls_Sun @ Feb 15 2015 04:09pm)
how can you say fracking is a viable alternative? It's bad enough that we are enabling the water on the surface to evaporate but now it's viable to exploit the earth once again by pumping dangerous chemicals down into the water bearing strata that we depend on? If we poison this water that's underground there won't be any other water. It takes between 1-8 million gallons of water for one fracc site that's areound 400 semi-tractor tanker loads of water it takes sand and 600 gallons of chemicals as well some of them poisons, and some of then known carcinogens all of that if forced under pressure deep underground to break up the shale rock. When they're done the water and poison stays in the hole.

This is ignorant fear mongering. Scared of what you don't understand.
Dangerous chamcals big numbers omgerz
The spooky skilenton not being reposted 4 times doesn't make it not viable.

Yes its viable. Thats why we are seeing massive investment and a boom in the industry across the country.

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the rest of your excuse reads like a melodrama nobody suggested violence, or devastating regulations. But something has to be done, and companies in the private sector will not police themselves in this manner because they can't see a direct affect on their business. So for the good of mankind. the greater good if you will. they will have to police the corporations much as they do now with the EPA and the clean air Act.
It's time to take an action and if that means putting some limits on capitalists ability to gather as much wealth as possible , well sorry. There are also people who are dying because of the changing climate. a decrease in a businessman's profit seems to pale when you think of the potential extinction of nations of populations .

I'm certainly not against nuclear power we could use some European examples there again. there are safe clean choices we need to start on now so that we don't have to make a hurry up decision later. Now is the time to work the kinks out of some systems as we steadily grow less dependent on fossil fuels.


This is actually suggested all the time.

People being allowed to do business and thrive is not just about some rich employer you hate. Its necessary to give people the things they desire and need to live.

Now if someone is doing something egregious and doing the equivalent of pissing in someone's cheerios I can agree that should be stopped.
What is proposed is not necessarily that

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Learn to biology. Bicycling=increased heart rate=more CO2 emissions. If you TRULY cared about the environment, you would drive a Tesla.

I thought you were going to say 'kill yourself' but I guess that works too.
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