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May 20 2010 08:59am
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Besides it always being necessary, incomprehensible numbers of animals are killed in the process of farming, habitats being destroyed for housing, and the millions of cars that drive miles per day.

Why are these deaths any more unnecessary? Do humans have to eat? Do we have to live in the houses we do? Vegans make an arbitrary distinction between what is and isn't acceptable.

Eating meat is an amoral subject, it is both healthy and natural, and there is no legitimate reason why we should stop.


I got no qualms with eating meat as such. The way we produce our meat these days, on the other hand, is appalling for various (but, in my case, mainly ethical) reasons.

I regret the fact that animals die, needlessly during farming. I hope that efforts are being made to reduce this to a minimum.

I regret the fact that animals die on our roads and I support all efforts being made to make safe crossings for them under our roads.



You should read Peter Singer, mang. Seriously.






Edit: also, I'm not vegan.

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May 20 2010 01:52pm
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No, there actually aren't many other sources of protein I can use, I need quick, available food with high protein / calorie ratios. Without milk products / meat, I'm boned. This is ignoring that the natural human diet has no need of supplements, and that in most cases natural diets are objectively preferable to supplement based ones.

No, your "in other words" is wrong.

1. Animal husbandry is often practiced on land unsuitable for farming.
2. Actual weight or caloric intake is irrelevant, the question is which diet is optimal for human survival and health.
3. You are attacking a way of life (eating meat) because of certain adverse effects a subgroup has on the planet. Expensive, healthily raised meat is no more damaging to the planet than you or I.
4. Even were the entire practice to be damaging to the planet, your argument disregards that eating meat is still healthier for the individual. I've had this argument with you before, humans are biologically predisposed to be omnivores, and yeh, that includes meat.

Golden Rule - I don't expect other species to accept or accommodate themselves to my presence, they eat and survive without regard to human life, all I ask is that I be left alone to do the same.

Animal rights activists discriminate against humans, they expect humanity to be held accountable to laws that animals (by their biology) cannot also be held to.

That's well and good for them, but I'll kill every last one of the bastards before they ever stop me from eating meat.


@ the underlined: You're just saying that because you LIKE to eat meat. You, and everyone else, knows that there are plenty of alternatives to meat that will allow you to get your protein in a convenient and easy way. Seitan for instance. Or soy products. Or spirulina. Or legumes. By the way, there is no 'objectively preferable diet' since preferences are inherently subjective.

1. Not true. Look at environmental studies and you'll see.
2. There is no such thing as an optimal diet because any diet is optimal when it gives the necessary nutrients.
3. The peer-reviewed study says otherwise. It is one of the leading causes of damage to the planet.
4. Again, eating meat is a preference since there are plenty of alternatives that are even better for you than meat.

Just face it, the only reason you eat meat is because you want to and you like iit. That's all your argument amounts to, really.
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May 20 2010 02:28pm
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Just face it, the only reason you eat meat is because you want to and you like iit. That's all your argument amounts to, really.


Please tell us again why YOU eat meat , something you have admitted to before .

Try not to dodge this time !

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Please tell us again why YOU eat meat , something you have admitted to before .

Try not to dodge this time !


Please tell us again why YOU download child porn, something you have admitted to before.

Try not to dodge this time.

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May 20 2010 02:32pm
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Try not to dodge this time.


Why would anyone take a meat eater preaching vegetarianism seriously ?
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May 20 2010 02:34pm
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Why would anyone take a meat eater preaching vegetarianism seriously ?



I don't eat meat. You do.

You still having trouble in bed with the missus? Try not to dodge this time.
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May 20 2010 02:35pm
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I don't eat meat. You do.

You still having trouble in bed with the missus? Try not to dodge this time.


You admitted to eating meat when it is convenient .

It's in your post history .
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Quote (WidowMaKer_MK @ May 20 2010 08:35pm)
You admitted to eating meat when it is convenient .

It's in your post history .


Nice dodge.

Nope. I did not admit to eating meat when it's convenient. I'll say it again, since you seem to have a mental block about this kind of thing, I will only eat meat when necessary. No, I don't eat meat when its served to me. I will only eat meat when I'm starving and I cannot find any other food.

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May 20 2010 02:39pm
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Nope. I did not admit to eating meat when it's convenient. I'll say it again, since you seem to have a mental block about this kind of thing, I will only eat meat when necessary.  No, I don't eat meat when its served to me. I will only eat meat when I'm starving and I cannot find any other food.


You live at home so the excuses make no sense at all . Are you actually implying that your family runs out of everything but meat and you would starve if you didn't eat it ?
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You live at home so the excuses make no sense at all . Are you actually implying that your family runs out of everything but meat and you would starve if you didn't eat it ?


You don't know if I live at home. I'm not implying anything other than what I said. If you didn't understand what I said then I feel sorry for you.
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