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May 19 2010 05:22pm
"The speciesist assumption that lurks here is very simple. Humans are humans and gorillas are animals. There is an unquestioned yawning gulf between them such that the life of a single human child is worth more than the lives of all the gorillas in the world. The 'worth' of an animal's life is just its replacement cost to its owner — or, in the case of a rare species, to humanity. But tie the label Homo sapiens even to a tiny piece of insensible, embryonic tissue, and its life suddenly leaps to infinite, uncomputable value."

"The lawyer, with his trained discontinuous mind, insists on placing individuals firmly in this species or that. He does not allow for the possibility that an individual might lie half-way between two species, or a tenth of the way from species A to species B. Self-styled 'pro-lifers', and others that indulge in footling debates about exactly when in its development a foetus 'becomes human', exhibit the same discontinuous mentality. It is no use telling these people that, depending upon the human characteristics that interest you, a foetus can be 'half human' or 'a hundredth human'. 'Human', to the discontinuous mind, is an absolute concept. There can be no half measures. And from this flows much evil."

http://www.animal-rights-library.com/texts-m/dawkins01.htm
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May 19 2010 05:24pm
Oh snap.
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May 19 2010 05:31pm
more from richard dawkins:

"Such is the breathtaking speciesism of our Christian-inspired attitudes, the abortion of a single human zygote (most of them are destined to be spontaneously aborted anyway) can arouse more moral solicitude and righteous indignation than the vivisection of any number of intelligent adult chimpanzees! [...] The only reason we can be comfortable with such a double standard is that the intermediates between humans and chimps are all dead."
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May 19 2010 05:32pm
Quote (AEtheric @ May 19 2010 05:22pm)
"The speciesist assumption that lurks here is very simple. Humans are humans and gorillas are animals. There is an unquestioned yawning gulf between them such that the life of a single human child is worth more than the lives of all the gorillas in the world. The 'worth' of an animal's life is just its replacement cost to its owner — or, in the case of a rare species, to humanity. But tie the label Homo sapiens even to a tiny piece of insensible, embryonic tissue, and its life suddenly leaps to infinite, uncomputable value."

"The lawyer, with his trained discontinuous mind, insists on placing individuals firmly in this species or that. He does not allow for the possibility that an individual might lie half-way between two species, or a tenth of the way from species A to species B. Self-styled 'pro-lifers', and others that indulge in footling debates about exactly when in its development a foetus 'becomes human', exhibit the same discontinuous mentality. It is no use telling these people that, depending upon the human characteristics that interest you, a foetus can be 'half human' or 'a hundredth human'. 'Human', to the discontinuous mind, is an absolute concept. There can be no half measures. And from this flows much evil."

http://www.animal-rights-library.com/texts-m/dawkins01.htm


Yawn.

Had to start a new thread instead of continuing the last one?
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May 19 2010 05:32pm
Implying humans and animals have rights.

Yea, right.

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May 19 2010 05:35pm
What is the point of this thread?
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May 19 2010 05:35pm
Quote (killgoreisleet @ May 19 2010 11:32pm)
Implying humans and animals have rights.

Yea, right.


If humans are given rights then I believe that animals should be given rights, too.
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May 19 2010 05:36pm
Quote (AEtheric @ May 19 2010 05:35pm)
If humans are given rights then I believe that animals should be given rights, too.


If no one had rights we'd be fine.

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May 19 2010 05:37pm
Quote (AEtheric @ May 19 2010 11:35pm)
If humans are given rights then I believe that animals should be given rights, too.


We've already gone over this in another thread.
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May 19 2010 05:38pm
Quote (AEtheric @ May 19 2010 05:35pm)
If humans are given rights then I believe that animals should be given rights, too.


Humans decide who has rights and who doesn't. This applies even within humans.
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