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May 19 2010 06:52pm
Quote (otterjethro @ May 20 2010 12:43am)
Isn't that a sperm? Who said anything about a sperm in this thread?


No one, he just isn't that bright.
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May 19 2010 06:58pm
Quote (IceMage @ May 20 2010 12:28am)
I'm against game hunting if they don't eat the meat.

Humans are meat eaters.  Prove me wrong.


Humans don't have to eat meat. Prove me wrong.
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May 19 2010 06:59pm
Quote (AEtheric @ May 20 2010 12:58am)
Humans don't have to eat meat. Prove me wrong.


No, they don't, it's just part of the optimal diet, what's your point?
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Quote (otterjethro @ May 19 2010 07:43pm)
Isn't that a sperm? Who said anything about a sperm in this thread?


Sperm penetrating an Egg. (I.E. Conception)
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Quote (Pk_Dibbun @ May 19 2010 07:00pm)
Sperm penetrating an Egg. (I.E. Conception)


that picture is missing the egg...
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Quote (Pk_Dibbun @ May 20 2010 01:00am)
Sperm penetrating an Egg. (I.E. Conception)


What is a zygote and what is an unfertilized egg.

This isn't hard people, I'd like to see some effort.
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May 19 2010 07:08pm
Quote (bogie160 @ May 20 2010 12:52am)
Yes, stop the fishing industry and see what happens to world hunger, I suspect it'll improve. While we're at it we might as well get New Zealand, Ireland, all of those chaps, to stop animal husbandry on land specifically fit for it. When you don't have enough food to go around, making less is the best bet.

I'd also like a definition on "unnecessary",my lifestyle requires protein consumption on the level that a "no animal product" rule would make impossible. My quality (and longevity) of life would decline if animal products (specifically meat, fish, and milk) were removed from my diet.

For clarification, I believe, in our goodness, humanity may condescend to grant animals some measure of protection, but that protection may be abrogated at leisure and comes second to human concerns. Animals (excepting humans) don't have rights, I'll eat as many of them as I damn well please and as suits my diet and lifestyle expectations.

I would kill a thousand chimpanzees rather than let a single child die.


With all of the land and resources we use for animals we could use on ourselves. It takes 16 pounds of grain to make one pound of beef. In tracking food animal production from the feed through to the dinner table, the inefficiencies of meat, milk and egg production range from a 4:1 energy input to protein output ratio up to 54:1. [3] The result is that producing animal-based food is typically much less efficient than the harvesting of grains, vegetables, legumes, seeds and fruits for direct human consumption. [3] People are cutting down whole forests just for pasture for cattle when it could be used on farmland or even not cut down. Animals fed on grain need more water than grain crops. "According to a 2006 report by the Livestock, Environment And Development Initiative, the livestock industry is one of the largest contributors to environmental degradation worldwide, and modern practices of raising animals for food contributes on a "massive scale" to air and water pollution, land degradation, climate change, and loss of biodiversity. " In other words the whole livestock industry is a waste.


@ the bolded: There are many other sources of protein that don't have to do with meat. You just want to believe that meat is necessary when it's not. THe quality of your life will be just fine if you take the right supplements and get the right nutrition as anyone should do, eating meat or not.

You can do as you damn well please, but realize that you're unnecessarily taking lives of sentient beings, who are sentient just like you. You ever heard of the golden rule? I'm sure you wouldn't feel so great if I decided I could eat you if I damn well please.

This post was edited by AEtheric on May 19 2010 07:20pm
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Quote (AEtheric @ May 19 2010 06:16pm)
So you're against game hunting? I'm glad that you have this stance, but I don't think you realize that killing animals for food is also unnecessary in today's society.


We kill animals for food because we CAN.

As for hunting, I don't believe in not eating what you kill.

Quote (AEtheric @ May 19 2010 06:06pm)
Yes, steam is blowing out of my ears. :)

Seriously though, if you're serious then that's ridiculous! I'd much rather have one zygote die than hundreds of chimps.


Hundreds of chimps have zero chance of contributing to human society. One zygote however, does have a chance.

Quote (Pk_Dibbun @ May 19 2010 06:36pm)
Reposting image from last week.

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/2130/1273518679186.jpg


That is SO last week...

Quote (bogie160 @ May 19 2010 06:52pm)
For clarification, I believe, in our goodness, humanity may condescend to grant animals some measure of protection, but that protection may be abrogated at leisure and comes second to human concerns. Animals (excepting humans) don't have rights, I'll eat as many of them as I damn well please and as suits my diet and lifestyle expectations.

I would kill a thousand chimpanzees rather than let a single child die.


So very this.

Quote (otterjethro @ May 19 2010 07:00pm)
that picture is missing the egg...


The big yellow and pink thing is the egg, the tiny (by comparison) white thing is the sperm.
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May 19 2010 07:29pm
Quote (Santara @ May 20 2010 01:25am)

Hundreds of chimps have zero chance of contributing to human society. One zygote however, does have a chance.


Because humans are so much better than animals, right? I see this as egocentric and on par with racism and sexism. Better them than you, huh?
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May 19 2010 07:39pm
Quote (AEtheric @ May 19 2010 07:29pm)
Because humans are so much better than animals, right?  I see this as egocentric and on par with racism and sexism.  Better them than you, huh?


It's not just racism, it's "genusism." Of course humans are better than animals. Until an animal figures out a way to build cars and lock up people in zoos, it will continue to be this way.
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