d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > Sports Coliseum > Martial Arts, Boxing & Wrestling > Why Are People Giving Brock So Much Credit?
Prev18910111230Next
Closed New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 28,450
Joined: Apr 2 2007
Gold: 678.00
Dec 16 2009 02:24pm
Quote (Havocide @ 16 Dec 2009 22:15)
@bold2 -fedor's been outwrestled quite often by people smaller and less talented at wrestling than brock.

@bold3 - fedor has never fought someone who is as big as brock besides hong man choi and those 2 aren't even comparable. Imagine if hong man choi had the wrestling skill and sub defense (upper body) that brock does.


Randleman and Coleman have some decent wrestling of their own. I think Merle posted about that somewhere.

Fedor has also fought that black sumo dude... Forgot his name tho..

Point is Fedor has been winning against guys who were always better at some aspect of the game (or so people claimed). And he's been winning decisively and consistently.

I'm not saying Fedor is invincible or infallible, because he is. But he's dangerous to any fighter out there. And I do like his chances against Brock.
Member
Posts: 16,718
Joined: Mar 17 2006
Gold: 58.00
Dec 16 2009 02:25pm
Quote (masterofshadows @ Dec 16 2009 03:23pm)
if i had to guess lesnar is stronger in the weight room than choi if even if he wasn't he is still a lot stronger naturally and grappling whys then choi, choi is just goofy and unathletic looking when he fights, i could name like 5-10 hws in the ufc alone that would shit on him


yea of course, but what im trying to say is lesnar being big dosent mean hes the strongest man out there ( a lot of people seems to forget about this, not saying its your case)
Member
Posts: 4,810
Joined: May 31 2009
Gold: 0.50
Dec 16 2009 02:28pm
Quote (hATemOnkEy @ Dec 16 2009 03:24pm)


I'm not saying Fedor is invincible or infallible, because he is. But he's dangerous to any fighter out there. And I do like his chances against Brock.


actually...judging by that..it looks like we're on the same page haha
Member
Posts: 10,937
Joined: Sep 11 2006
Gold: 3,007.00
Dec 16 2009 02:30pm
Quote (masterofshadows @ Dec 17 2009 06:06am)
we're not talking about back in pride, we're talking about right now, ken shamrock and matt hughes were considered some of the best fighters back then, does that mean they can hang with the fighters nowadays? no, the sport has changed


Shamrock was known from success in Pancrase, hes Pride record less then impressive.
Shamrock was not considered one of the best fighters in Pride.
Member
Posts: 9,040
Joined: Oct 23 2008
Gold: 1.18
Dec 16 2009 02:31pm
Quote (Havocide @ Dec 16 2009 03:28pm)
actually...judging by that..it looks like we're on the same page haha


i believe hes dangerous and he can catch brock but i think brock has better chances against him, the way rogers with no wrestling experience at all did good against fedor on the ground with his goofy ass rolling and w/e the fuck he called that then i think lesnar would be able to pin him to the ground and neutralize him just like he did mir, mir was much bigger and stronger than fedor in the lesnar vs mir 2 fight and lesnar held him down like it was nothing, oh and lesnar was only at about 60% in the mir fight from what the doctors are saying so...if he was at his best against fedor i think he would win

This post was edited by masterofshadows on Dec 16 2009 02:34pm
Member
Posts: 19,150
Joined: Dec 10 2006
Gold: 4,600.00
Dec 16 2009 02:37pm
Quote (masterofshadows @ Dec 16 2009 04:31pm)
i believe hes dangerous and he can catch brock but i think brock has better chances against him, the way rogers with no wrestling experience at all did good against fedor on the ground with his goofy ass rolling and w/e the fuck he called that then i think lesnar would be able to pin him to the ground and neutralize him just like he did mir, mir was much bigger and stronger than fedor in the lesnar vs mir 2 fight and lesnar held him down like it was nothing


I think if they were in that position yes. But I think Fedor wouldnt be dumb enough to get caught in that position with brock. He wanted to be on the ground with Rogers because rogers is known as a standup, or at least was considered a standup guy. Fedor would be alot more reluctant to get on the ground with brock. Like I said you cant compare the 2 fights because Brock and Rogers are 2 different fighters therefore Fedor would have 2 different game plans.
Member
Posts: 9,040
Joined: Oct 23 2008
Gold: 1.18
Dec 16 2009 02:38pm
Quote (vitt4300 @ Dec 16 2009 03:37pm)
I think if they were in that position yes. But I think Fedor wouldnt be dumb enough to get caught in that position with brock. He wanted to be on the ground with Rogers because rogers is known as a standup, or at least was considered a standup guy. Fedor would be alot more reluctant to get on the ground with brock. Like I said you cant compare the 2 fights because Brock and Rogers are 2 different fighters therefore Fedor would have 2 different game plans.


but you're not understanding what i'm trying to say, its not up to fedor whether or not he wants to be in that position, that is up to lesnar because i promise you lesnar will be able to take him down lol, lesnar has controlled where the fights are in all his fights

This post was edited by masterofshadows on Dec 16 2009 02:39pm
Member
Posts: 19,150
Joined: Dec 10 2006
Gold: 4,600.00
Dec 16 2009 02:40pm
Quote (masterofshadows @ Dec 16 2009 04:38pm)
but you're not understanding what i'm trying to say, its not up to fedor whether or not he wants to be in that position, that is up to lesnar because i promise you lesnar will be able to take him down lol, lesnar has controlled where the fights are


No he hasnt did you not watch the Randy fight? Randy controlled that fight and was winning the fight until Brock got that punch. Not going to say lucky punch because no punch is lucky but he got caught. Fedor has really good take down defense and he isnt weak. You need to watch some fights.

This post was edited by vitt4300 on Dec 16 2009 02:40pm
Member
Posts: 4,810
Joined: May 31 2009
Gold: 0.50
Dec 16 2009 02:41pm
Quote (vitt4300 @ Dec 16 2009 03:40pm)
No he hasnt did you not watch the Randy fight? Fedor has really good take down defense and he isnt weak. You need to watch some fights.


fedor does not have really good take down defense..every good wrestler he's fought has been able to take him down. why would brock be the exception?

This post was edited by Havocide on Dec 16 2009 02:41pm
Member
Posts: 9,040
Joined: Oct 23 2008
Gold: 1.18
Dec 16 2009 02:41pm
Quote (vitt4300 @ Dec 16 2009 03:40pm)
No he hasnt did you not watch the Randy fight? Randy controlled that fight and was winning the fight until Brock got that punch. Not going to say lucky punch because no punch is lucky but he got caught.  Fedor has really good take down defense and he isnt weak. You need to watch some fights.


randy was not controlling the fight and def wasn't winning, it was a good close fight but randy was not winning at that point

This post was edited by masterofshadows on Dec 16 2009 02:42pm
Go Back To Martial Arts, Boxing & Wrestling Topic List
Prev18910111230Next
Closed New Topic New Poll