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Oct 22 2022 03:24pm
Quote (Jacobbc2 @ 20 Oct 2022 09:47)
Assuming you're not trolling "ordinary girl", it sounds like you just aren't good at video games. If you can't self find items in a fully fleshed out 20 year old game Diablo probably isn't super well suited for you.

No reason to ruin the experience for the people who have actually played Diablo for upwards of two decades and like it for what it was originally, a grindy ARPG where gearing is supposed to be a gradual progression.

Legitimately you can run hell meph for like an hour or two a week on a blizzard sorc with piss poor gear (Tarnhelm/3 ptopaz helm, spirit sword, skullders, nagels, chancies, etc. Even if you can't afford these, you can literally mote trick mephisto virtually naked since he can't attack you) and you should be able to easily get an arach, shako, mara's as well as enough excess currency to trade for the other items you would need for an endgame build, all within the span of a couple weeks.



You say this as though you're supposed to be able to fully gear all 7 characters in a short time frame. What content would you even do with all 7 characters fully geared? You do realize gearing is the majority of the actual game. Sure you could kill uber trist and D clone a few times, but the game is primarily centered around optimizing gear. Once you're actually geared there's almost nothing to do in the game besides make another character... If you've made all the characters you'd probably log on, do a chaos run or two, get bored because nothing that drops matters and the bosses have long since become trivialized, and you'd log out with no tangible goals or sense of accomplishment left.

Finding gear upgrades is supposed to be a drawn out process to make it genuinely exciting when you do get an upgrade, and form an attachment to your characters.

sure it might be fun for an hour or two to hop on D3, get your class set, and suddenly do 16 trillion damage, but it's incredibly unhealthy for the longevity of the game, and you have other options elsewhere. When you spout sentiment like this, you increase the likelihood that another game will be ruined to pander to you, despite the fact that you're clearly not the target demo. Not everything has to be for you. Leave Diablo as Diablo.


D2 players are way too obsessed with gear. People played without high end runewords, and were happy.
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Oct 22 2022 03:47pm
Its so sad. We all had hopes just because d1+d2 were so ridiculously good games. The loot hunt, the rich traders, the pvp dudes looking for specific super rare, super valuable items etc. All of it paired with very good gameplay, story, atmosphere.
We knew what was coming, but still so disappointed that they just don't give a shit. Fuck blizzard.
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Oct 22 2022 04:03pm
Quote (Madmaxio @ Oct 22 2022 02:24pm)
D2 players are way too obsessed with gear. People played without high end runewords, and were happy.


This is very short-sighted. Diablo as a franchise was built around addictive and compelling loot mechanics as a core design principle. Deviating from that for any reason is a failure on Blizzard's part to seize on past successes.
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Oct 23 2022 03:18am
they cant fight botters and exploiters thats why they will make high end stuff non tradable to avoid their failing in system security

thats why it will be another game for 1 month hype
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Oct 23 2022 03:28am
Quote (EternalFlight @ Oct 23 2022 02:18am)
they cant fight botters and exploiters thats why they will make high end stuff non tradable to avoid their failing in system security

thats why it will be another game for 1 month hype


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Oct 23 2022 01:30pm
Quote (NilsPetersen @ 22 Oct 2022 23:47)
Its so sad. We all had hopes just because d1+d2 were so ridiculously good games. The loot hunt, the rich traders, the pvp dudes looking for specific super rare, super valuable items etc. All of it paired with very good gameplay, story, atmosphere.
We knew what was coming, but still so disappointed that they just don't give a shit. Fuck blizzard.


Yup.. Very sad.. We could have great game again but..
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Oct 26 2022 12:19pm
Quote (EternalFlight @ 23 Oct 2022 12:18)
they cant fight botters and exploiters thats why they will make high end stuff non tradable to avoid their failing in system security

thats why it will be another game for 1 month hype


I don't think bots are the real reason. If they wanted to, they would invest in anti bot actions.
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Oct 26 2022 12:22pm
They tried to make a mix of d2 and d3 but d3 bad mechanics are more present than d2

The only thing they have us from d2 are skills but they ain’t that good as d2, you just max one to lvl 5 instead of 20 and add variants to the skill

Teleport have massive cooldown

You can’t place stats

And smart loot it’s the worst idea ever
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Oct 26 2022 02:39pm
Quote (Mganga @ Oct 26 2022 02:22pm)
They tried to make a mix of d2 and d3 but d3 bad mechanics are more present than d2

The only thing they have us from d2 are skills but they ain’t that good as d2, you just max one to lvl 5 instead of 20 and add variants to the skill

Teleport have massive cooldown

You can’t place stats

And smart loot it’s the worst idea ever


D2 players are the most confusing lol...

D2 has the basic of basics for a skill tree, level this 1 skill, max a couple others to get more bonus in this skill, they introduce this in D4 beta without the need of dumping 60 points into other useless skills to boost your 1 skill you'll use and suddenly it's a problem.

Teleport in D4 is actually legit because it serves a purpose instead of bouncing around a map aimlessly looking for the next level. It's both a defensive and offensive skill and if you played enough of the beta there are legendaries centered around amping that skill up. You also have no need to bounce between 6 levels because the dungeons aren't multi leveled and most require you to kill everything on the map to proceed.
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Oct 26 2022 02:48pm
Quote (Shyden @ Oct 26 2022 03:39pm)
D2 players are the most confusing lol...

D2 has the basic of basics for a skill tree, level this 1 skill, max a couple others to get more bonus in this skill, they introduce this in D4 beta without the need of dumping 60 points into other useless skills to boost your 1 skill you'll use and suddenly it's a problem.

Teleport in D4 is actually legit because it serves a purpose instead of bouncing around a map aimlessly looking for the next level. It's both a defensive and offensive skill and if you played enough of the beta there are legendaries centered around amping that skill up. You also have no need to bounce between 6 levels because the dungeons aren't multi leveled and most require you to kill everything on the map to proceed.



Teleport in D4 is basically a second dodge option only

The skills are fine but should be more options to level up, that can be fixed if instead of level 60, they keep level 99
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