It’s his total lack of accountability for botching last season that pissed ownership, teammates, and a lot of fans off



He is single-handedly the reason we didn’t make the playoffs

This post was edited by Article on Mar 22 2022 09:38am

I don't know enough about the Browns but did they force Baker to keep playing or did he force himself without their urging?

That being said I don't think anyone thinks he's a veteran leader and a pillar of maturity. I think the reason why this whole thing is crazy is I believe I've seen one media personality defend Baker.


The media has been completely focused on how horrible Baker has handled it when I don't think any single person anywhere in the world is going to feel like they're being taken care of when they are actively trading away years of capital for your replacement.

Then imagine being like what the fuck? And the organizational leaks come out and they're talking shit about you. Then the whole time the media is making you the problem. That's insane.

He made the decision himself to play


Why would anyone defend mayfield though? He gloats when he wins, pouts when he loses, and got carried by a godly team around him.


Since entering the league Mayfield has the most interceptions of any qb in the nfl. And he leads the league in fourth quarter interceptions by a significant margin.


He has one game winning drive in four seasons as the starter, he NEVER makes the clutch play when it’s needed.


He made the decision to play injured and ruin the browns season and waste a prime year of Chubb, Hunt, Garrett, Ward.

He ran Odell out of town.

If you’re a player who wears their heart on their sleeve and are hyper competitive, you better be able to deal with the consequences when you play like shit.

yeah thats on jv coach stefanski bud, not baker.

it's up to the coaches to do what's in the best interest of the team and the player - ie protecting a player from himself by not letting him play if he can't be effective or risking further injury

the narrative that baker had final say means the browns are as dysfunctional as the memes claim and they should fire the staff and get a new owner. lol

Yeah, what kind of team gives full control of personnel decisions to the player lol.

Hell, Eli Manning was perfectly healthy and grinding out a consecutive start record, and then McAdoo sits him anyway because the coaches/FO wanted to see what they had in Geno Smith lol

Or stefanski let him choose because baker wasn’t his qb he brought in or drafted so it’s a convenient excuse if he played poorly to upgrade the position.


Baker gambled on himself, and lost. end of story. I don’t blame Stefanski at all.

This post was edited by Article on Mar 22 2022 05:30pm

Browns browning like always. Gave an extremely massive contract to a guy still under legal investigation.

You realize that had baker sat when he could have played your tune would be 100% opposite by crucifying him for making your team lose cuz he didn't play I highly enjoy watching you die on these hills

Coaches are the parents and players are the children. You don't let children make choices that need to be made by parents...

lol maybe if your children are thoroughbred race horses. The NFL has gotten away from this, players do what they want, the coaching staff and front office determines whether or not their talent surpasses the horse and pony show. College is closer to parents/children, the ducks coach had the look of my father on his face this past year lol.