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Jan 21 2022 01:16am
Quote (xPailess @ Jan 21 2022 12:47am)
Seems like this is backed by scientific data shown over the year with death rates etc.

So tell me again why normally healthy people NEED this vaccine if our natural immunity is better than the vaccine.


Lets take three scenarios.


1. Vaccine then infection then reinfection.
2. Infection then vaccine then reinfection.
3. Infection and no vaccine then reinfection.

Of those three scenarios the safest is, by several orders of magnitude, the first. In terms of both injury and mortality for everybody above like 12.

The second best scenario is infection then vaccine then reinfection. You have two exposures prior to the second reinfection, and have stronger immunity as a result.

The third is just getting infected multiple times without the vaccine. Evidence is pretty clear that multiple infections and associated injuries happen less in vaccinated people.

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Jan 21 2022 01:38am
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Lets take three scenarios.


1. Vaccine then infection then reinfection.
2. Infection then vaccine then reinfection.
3. Infection and no vaccine then reinfection.

Of those three scenarios the safest is, by several orders of magnitude, the first. In terms of both injury and mortality for everybody above like 12.

The second best scenario is infection then vaccine then reinfection. You have two exposures prior to the second reinfection, and have stronger immunity as a result.

The third is just getting infected multiple times without the vaccine. Evidence is pretty clear that multiple infections and associated injuries happen less in vaccinated people.


So are we ignoring natural immunity being far superior to the vaccines ?
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Jan 21 2022 01:38am
Quote (toyake @ Jan 20 2022 06:16pm)
Sounds good until you realize you have to roll the dice with the first infection before having an improved response to the second, third, or fourth infection.

Or you can take the vaccine and have a sore arm for a day. Tough call.


Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jan 20 2022 06:21pm)
Yeah except that whole having to get infected thing. The vaccine is far lower risk of both death and side effects in basically all age groups


The issue isn't whether people should get vaccinated or expose themselves to the virus intentionally, that's obviously wrong.
The issue is how we should treat unvaccinated people who have already been exposed to the virus.

The science supports that natural immunity is stronger than vaccination and vaccination redundant once immune, and the policy should reflect that. If someone is naturally immune, they shouldn't face any quarantine measures or vaccinate mandates.
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Jan 21 2022 01:45am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jan 21 2022 02:38am)
The issue isn't whether people should get vaccinated or expose themselves to the virus intentionally, that's obviously wrong.
The issue is how we should treat unvaccinated people who have already been exposed to the virus.

The science supports that natural immunity is stronger than vaccination and vaccination redundant once immune, and the policy should reflect that. If someone is naturally immune, they shouldn't face any quarantine measures or vaccinate mandates.


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Jan 21 2022 01:51am
Quote (xPailess @ Jan 21 2022 01:38am)
So are we ignoring natural immunity being far superior to the vaccines ?


What you are missing is that it's not a binary choice.

You can get a vaccine, and then you will still get better immunity after an exposure to the virus.

The most superior form of immunity is vaccination then exposure to the virus. But you shouldn't go out seeking exposure obviously.
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Jan 21 2022 01:54am
Quote (Goomshill @ 21 Jan 2022 07:38)
The issue is how we should treat unvaccinated people who have already been exposed to the virus.


Reinfection could happen as soon as 3 months after contracting the virus. Meaning next shot after 3 months, maybe 6 because i'm a nice guy.

Finally, a topic that ended peacefully. cU next
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Jan 21 2022 01:58am
Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Jan 21 2022 02:51am)
What you are missing is that it's not a binary choice.

You can get a vaccine, and then you will still get better immunity after an exposure to the virus.

The most superior form of immunity is vaccination then exposure to the virus. But you shouldn't go out seeking exposure obviously.


Well since i've had covid twice.

The alpha and omnicron what should they do about it ?

Omnicron felt like a common cold because my natural immunity as well.
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Jan 21 2022 02:12am
Quote (xPailess @ Jan 21 2022 01:58am)
Well since i've had covid twice.

The alpha and omnicron what should they do about it ?

Omnicron felt like a common cold because my natural immunity as well.


If you felt like you had a common cold even after being infected once then your immune system is sub-par. You should probably get vaccinated at least 4 more times.

I've been very clear about what we should do about it. People who are anti-vax aren't compatible with society and should at minimum be cut off, but execution is probably more reasonable.
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Jan 21 2022 02:13am
Infection is inevitable. Everyone gets the flue, if you live in an urban environment you just delaying the date. Like the ones who wait till the last minute to study for an exam. But when it comes you are less prepared. Stop Simping for vaccines.
Get covid build immunity. It will be just another cold in 10 years time and people won't give a damn.
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Jan 21 2022 02:14am
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Infection is inevitable. Everyone gets the flue, if you live in an urban environment you just delaying the date. Like the ones who wait till the last minute to study for an exam. But when it comes you are less prepared. Stop Simping for vaccines.
Get covid build immunity. It will be just another cold in 10 years time and people won't give a damn.


If your goal is immunity and preparation for when you get infected but then say don't push vaccines, then you should probably go back to first grade. You clearly didn't learn English very well.
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