Middleton was more of the Paul Pierce than Ray Allen.

go-to guy in the big moments when they needed a bucket, creating his own shot, etc.

He never had a season over a 0.9 DBPM.....

Players like CP3 and Kidd have had seasons with 3+ DBPM.....

DBPM is a terrible gauge for guards defense, and it's a box score stat. It also favors guys that can rebound AND be playmakers. The creator of the stat himself said the assists and rebounds factor was weighted too much.

To put it into perspective, Klay Thompson has a career -1 DBPM. He has been in the NEGATIVES every season of his career, while Steph Curry is usually in the positive (career 0.3 DBPM). If that doesn't tell you how useless it is then idk what does.

yea I hesitated to make a Pierce comparison because Pierce could lock down a teams best scorer when he wanted to

Klay is super overrated defensively....what is your point.


Both have shit dRtg too.



Jrue is nowhere near the two way player Kidd or Cp3 were. Not even in the same universe.

This post was edited by fuzzy159 on Sep 24 2021 02:45pm

My point was it's a HORRIBLE defensive metric for guards in the NBA. Klay was terrific defensively for the Warriors during their run of greatness, and Steph was never even remotely on his level defensively. The fact that you're seeing Steph with a higher DBPM every season is enough proof of how irrelevant it is for guards (hence the weight of assists that play a part in it).

The eye test also doesn't fail, everyone knows Jrue Holiday is absolutely lockdown and has been criminally underrated most of his career as a two-way player. Last year KD called Jrue the best defensive guard in the NBA. I watched CP3 his entire career, I think he's the best pure point guard in NBA history skill wise. I've also watched Jrue closely his entire career, since he was with the Sixers. Jrue is as good as they come defensively and he can put up 20/6/5 while doing it.

As good as Jrue is, people had the nerve to act like Giannis did it by himself this past season rofl. As if Middleton and Jrue didn't play a huge part. Let's just say this....they'd have never won if they still had Bledsoe instead of Jrue.

This post was edited by Sixers on Sep 24 2021 03:03pm

What is true is Giannis did it without another top 15 player as a sidekick, which is pretty rare in the last 20 years

Damn imagine if Sixers had Jrue instead of that other dude

He did it with two top 25 players. Seems pretty reasonable.

Opinions vs Facts son.