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Jul 20 2021 02:08pm
Quote (IgoSoHard @ Jul 20 2021 04:00pm)


*Using mana pots if over 80% ES is


*applause*
You were able to explain your useless answer of no. I am proud.
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*applause*
You were able to explain your useless answer of no. I am proud.

You sound dumber with every post, which is saying something considering your original post was dumb as fuck.

I’m sorry you can’t handle an ES sorc in public games on D2 in 2021.
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You sound dumber with every post, which is saying something considering your original post was dumb as fuck.

I’m sorry you can’t handle an ES sorc in public games on D2 in 2021.


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Jul 20 2021 08:02pm
If ES is Bm then so is holy shield, and wind armor, and battle orders.

This post was edited by Deboro on Jul 20 2021 08:03pm
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95% is Gm, but I believe on east there's an amount of interger Mdr and Pdr that would be considered bm. Aka immortal sorces, insert cuck build here.
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Quote (PkStart @ Jul 20 2021 11:08pm)
95% is Gm, but I believe on east there's an amount of interger Mdr and Pdr that would be considered bm. Aka immortal sorces, insert cuck build here.



95% es has always been gm
but there are stipulations with es > 85% sorcs in gm

not allowed to use sorb like vita sorcs, some rulesets saying they can't use mana pots

some rulesets also limit idr/mdr on high es% builds, because it really lames out some matchups


tl;dr
es is gm
but kinda imba in some setups
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Jul 21 2021 02:09am
There are rulesets that allow ES sorcs to use mana pots?
I assume those rulesets also allow health pots for vita builds then


anyway in general ES just lames out some matchups on its own. Cyclone armor does the same thing to a much lesser extent, but only a few niche matchups with low damage attacks. With ES, either your build has one or more of {poison/ow, stun or overwhelming damage} or the ES sorc is basically unstoppable and can just keep teleporting around after taking 2-3 hits and never get fhr'd, never take serious damage, never get punished. Of course, then she gets whirled by a sin and dies instantly, but ES even without high regen or mana pots or MDR/DR makes some matchups straight up unplayable for the opponent. How is a shaman druid supposed to damage an ES sorc, other than getting off ~3+ consecutive stomps that all get the 50% knockback roll. Nevermind the sorcs ability to instantly kill a bear let alone druid if unstacked, or if she's max block too and then the odds drop to like 1 in 1000 per attempt.

at its root ES is basically a bar saying if you can't deal ~30k damage in one go, you can't hurt or interrupt the sorc at all. Cyclone armor does that for only elemental damage, only up to ~17k, counting down if he can't recast it without being interrupted

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jul 21 2021 02:18am
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There are rulesets that allow ES sorcs to use mana pots?
I assume those rulesets also allow health pots for vita builds then


anyway in general ES just lames out some matchups on its own. Cyclone armor does the same thing to a much lesser extent, but only a few niche matchups with low damage attacks. With ES, either your build has one or more of {poison/ow, stun or overwhelming damage} or the ES sorc is basically unstoppable and can just keep teleporting around after taking 2-3 hits and never get fhr'd, never take serious damage, never get punished. Of course, then she gets whirled by a sin and dies instantly, but ES even without high regen or mana pots or MDR/DR makes some matchups straight up unplayable for the opponent. How is a shaman druid supposed to damage an ES sorc, other than getting off ~3+ consecutive stomps that all get the 50% knockback roll. Nevermind the sorcs ability to instantly kill a bear let alone druid if unstacked, or if she's max block too and then the odds drop to like 1 in 1000 per attempt.

at its root ES is basically a bar saying if you can't deal ~30k damage in one go, you can't hurt or interrupt the sorc at all. Cyclone armor does that for only elemental damage, only up to ~17k, counting down if he can't recast it without being interrupted


Somehow I knew when I opened this thread that you were going to be the one person agreeing with him.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Jul 21 2021 03:09am)
There are rulesets that allow ES sorcs to use mana pots?
I assume those rulesets also allow health pots for vita builds then


anyway in general ES just lames out some matchups on its own. Cyclone armor does the same thing to a much lesser extent, but only a few niche matchups with low damage attacks. With ES, either your build has one or more of {poison/ow, stun or overwhelming damage} or the ES sorc is basically unstoppable and can just keep teleporting around after taking 2-3 hits and never get fhr'd, never take serious damage, never get punished. Of course, then she gets whirled by a sin and dies instantly, but ES even without high regen or mana pots or MDR/DR makes some matchups straight up unplayable for the opponent. How is a shaman druid supposed to damage an ES sorc, other than getting off ~3+ consecutive stomps that all get the 50% knockback roll. Nevermind the sorcs ability to instantly kill a bear let alone druid if unstacked, or if she's max block too and then the odds drop to like 1 in 1000 per attempt.

at its root ES is basically a bar saying if you can't deal ~30k damage in one go, you can't hurt or interrupt the sorc at all. Cyclone armor does that for only elemental damage, only up to ~17k, counting down if he can't recast it without being interrupted


thats why u have a poi nova nec built just in case they try and get big on an es sorc abusing mana pots. they just like die.
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Jul 21 2021 06:42am
Quote (thesnipa @ Jul 21 2021 08:38am)
thats why u have a poi nova nec built just in case they try and get big on an es sorc abusing mana pots. they just like die.


Goomshill’s problem isn’t that es sorcs are hard to beat.
Everything is hard to beat for him. His entire pvp experience is dying in pubs on ladder.

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